Don't hate people.
Hate the perverse, uncivic, inherently tribalistic ideas of "belief without evidence", "felt truth", and "chosen people"
They are all toxic memes antithetical to a modern inclusive pluralistic society.
Don't hate people.
Hate the perverse, uncivic, inherently tribalistic ideas of "belief without evidence", "felt truth", and "chosen people"
They are all toxic memes antithetical to a modern inclusive pluralistic society.
When they stop legislating their doctrine.
Lots of assumptions in this thread that the concept of 'religion' is interchangeable with 'theism'. It isn't. There's quite a few large religions that are, or can be practised, in a nontheistic way including Buddhism, Hinduism, Taosim and Jainism. There's even a branch of Quakerism that is nontheistic.
Wider definitions of religion exist than simply 'belief in a supernatural deity/deities', including my own - that of modern atheistic Satanism.
In terms of bigotry - being shitty to whole groups of people based on their belief in a non-existent being feels weird to me. Being shitty if they then use that belief to justify their own bigotry is not weird and is called activism. Or to put it another way - if someone believes in a god and prays in a church and makes no comments that support the infringement of other peoples rights to exist and live their lives as they want to then that's totally fine by me.
Newsflash: adherents to other religions that have deities don't take them literally, either, whether they say so or not. Tibetan Buddhism is one.
This falls under the paradox of intolerance for me
Yes.
The whole point of their story books is to give them something to feel superior about, and to give them a licence to see anyone outside of their little club as inferior
Don't patronize. 🖕🏼
I'll answer with another vague response. People are dumb, but a person can be smart
I think this is a great question because it absolutely gets the point. The enemy is the system, not the people. This informs you both who and how you fight back. So when someone is saying something bigoted for religious reasons, the problem isn't necessarily that particular person, but the religious system that brainwashed them. In fact, it was a specific flavor of that religious system.
I think a more clear distinction can be found in feminism. Feminism isn't about fighting men, but fighting patriarchy. So, sure, there are men who are dickhead misogynists, but they are also potential allies that are also hurt by patriarchy. It's the system and those who specifically aim to perpetuate said system. Social philosophers tend to point to systems rather than people constantly, because it's so common for people to point out symptoms rather than the cause. So when we know to identify patriarchy rather than misogynists, yeah, we'll still call out misogynist men for sure, but also women that perpetuate patriarchy.
So if I'm blaming the system rather than the person, maybe I'm recognizing the religious person's commitment to truth and appealing to that rather than labeling them the enemy and writing them off completely. I think something that gets lost in all the polarizing bullshit as of recent is recognizing that a great way to make another bigot not exist is to persuade them to not be a bigot anymore. The enemy isn't people, it's the fucking system. Like the great poets have said: "Don't blame it on the Needy, don't blame it on the Poor, don't blame it on the Jew, blame it on the system. Blame it on the fucking system."
I just think hate is generally an unproductive feeling regardless of who it's towards. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to claim that I'm perfect and never find myself feeling it, I just try to avoid it.
Religion is a choice
People can't choose their skin colour, their sexuality etc.
Bigotry is hating someone for an intrinsic part of who they are
Religion is fair game as far as I'm concerned
I don't care about someone's religion, until they make it my problem
They're free to have their stupid beliefs. I'm not going to respect them, but if they leave me alone, I will return the courtesy
As soon as they want to force me to abide by their backwards superstition, to pass laws in its name, to shit on others using their fairytales as justification, then I have a fucking problem.
Depends on your dictionary
People make that choice because it makes them feel special.
I don't need to be a member of a bronze-age book club to enjoy my life
People make that choice because it makes them feel special.
Sadly, a lot of people are indoctrinated into religion as a child.
I agree
It's abuse
Without indoctrination before a child is able to think, religion would disappear in a generation
In theory, yes
But it would be unworkable and impossible to enforce
It's not worth the headache and giving religious people another excuse to claim that they're persecuted
In time humanity will outgrow religion, if we survive long enough
Are you trolling this hard? FFS.
By definition they are.. Considering oneself as one is a different matter ;)
I decided I don't mind if people are religious, there's a lot of religious people who I'd rather be allies with than enemies
If they are against fascism we have something in common
If you hate them just because they're religious that's bigotry
but there are a lot of people who use religion to justify bigoted or harmful beliefs. for those I have no tolerance and I'm not sorry 💅
So, does that mean that you have no issue with a religious person who does not use their religion to excuse hate or violence?
Never, religion is an opinion and you can hate dumb opinions all you want.
I had very meaningful conversation about all kinds of fiction, including religion.
It's cute that you think we value your opinions
It's a belief in something absurd, without a shred of evidence
It certainly can't be considered a fact, ergo, it's opinion
Reason isn't your strong suit, huh?
Indoctrination, or later in life, either stupidity or grasping for hope of salvation (usually both)
Nothing good comes from hate. Hate is an emotion, and when you're emotional, you cannot fix or improve things.
Pretty much immediately. You can hate extremism, you can hate corrupt and damaging institutions and you can hate intolerance. But don't hate someone just because they believe something you don't or you believe the same thing in a slightly different way.
The comments here are awful. I am sorry for the abuse you are receiving.
I'm a staunch atheist myself, and even for some of the same reasons others are mentioning in their rage-comments. That being said, hating a person for their religious beliefs alone is baffling, and yes, makes you a bigot.
The exception I would make here is for situation and people where they, based on their religious beliefs hate you, and there's nothing that can be done about it.I also would not call it bigoted to hate religious institutions for the discord and pain they inflict on the world.
But hating people because "well I was able to see through religion, so I am justified in hating everyone that did not and is still religious" is just such a disingenuous take. It denies the reality of indoctrination-like upbringings, of the differing educations people receive, and puts all religious people into a single "enemy" group.
I'm not US-American, as I assume many of these commenters are; where I live, the proportion of religious people is a lot lower, and the religiosity is... less pronounced, let's say. It is much more difficult to find someone here who would, for example, go "Homosexuality is a sin according to the bible. Therefore I hate you."; most religious people seem to have a differentiated opinion about these things, usually being more in line with "I believe there's a God that loves us. The bible was written by fallible humans whose biases are present in the texts".
Don't get me wrong, I still think they are wrong in this and pity them for the time and energy lost on pleasing an imaginary being, and for the pain their beliefs can inflict upon themselves; but ultimately, that's up to each individual person, and it does not justify hate.
It becomes bigotry when you are unwilling to change your mind, or when you hate people of that religion for that reason alone.
Hate.
Hard core hate.
Hard core hate for anyone religious.
I am sure individuals who have this hate in them, and there are circles where strong disrespect for anyone religious is tolerated, but this? No. And "many" circles?
I'm sorry but I do not believe the premise for the question to be real.
I agree with you
I don't think this question is being asked in good faith
But surely a religious person would never bear false witness?
If you're still taking supernatural campfire stories with you into adulthood, I view you as a child and, well, children should be seen and not heard.
children should be seen and not heard.
Bruh, wtf
"Bruh"? Take a seat, kiddo.
Says the person that sounds like they beat their kids
Swing again; you missed. There are more ways to get through to people than violence. That's why I don't practice religion.
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