the two party system: pulling the lever changes the color of the trolley from red to blue

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[–] 16 points 1 year ago

Know what else goes from red to blue and kills people?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Orphan Crushing Hugging Machine

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    Tbf, our two party system is truly awful. We need to fight a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don’t know what was said above, why was it removed? Was it extreme or are we now censoring divergent comments on DB0?

    I feel like that is a bit antithetical to the politics of this page and my own.

    Just checking. I’ve noticed the walls of the fediverse closing a bit and I don’t like it

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Comments have been removed from this post for a few reasons, including a few Rule 3s. FYI when folks come into a leftist space and start criticizing our users for refusing to vote for a party that supports genocide, that's electoralism, which is a Rule 3 violation in this community.

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    Okay, that's fair. No one should be forced to vote for a genocide ever. And any system that tries to force people to vote for genocide to defeat fascism is not worth saving... But even on the issue of genocide, Democrats were the lesser evil. Democrats protested genocide while Republicans proudly cheer for it.

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    No one should be forced to vote for a genocide ever. And any system that tries to force people to vote for genocide to defeat fascism is not worth saving

    And now that we're done with the shit you don't mean, here comes the capital-B "But."

    But even on the issue of genocide, Democrats were the lesser evil.

    By as thin a margin as they mistakenly thought they could get away with.

    Democrats protested genocide while Republicans proudly cheer for it.

    some democrats protested genocide. centrist democrats screamed abuse at us when we did.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    They didn't do shit to protest it other than say they felt bad about still having to send Israel bombs while giving Ukraine a small handful of bullets and some flowers. Actions speak louder than words. If they actually cared, they'd give Israel nothing but the middle finger and give Ukraine and Palestine everything they want.

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    If we were more civically engaged as a population it would not have gotten this bad.

    Yes and no. Yes, if everyone fought tirelessly for years to force our politicians to actually represent us then our system could be much better. But, our system is so deeply and unfathomably undemocratic / corrupt that it is cruel and unfair to put all the blame on the people. Humans are finite creatures so pouring more of our life into politics takes it from other aspects of our life. If everyone is over worked and exhausted then they often don't have time for politics.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    You're not wrong, the 'fight like hell' approach would have worked if we applied it in the 1900's-1930's. In America, at least. Back before the cult of wealth was properly established and the average Joe still gave a shit about the poor and the needy.

    Today, you can really only expect coordinated civic participation to be able to fix small local problems. Which is still absolutely necessary if we're going to fix larger issues, because our neighbors will believe in the thing they see as putting food on their table and a roof over their head.

    Even just working at the individual-to-individual level is still worthwhile. Bringing one person into the fold, protecting one person from harm at the hands of our economy, or at this point even just dragging one person out of fascism, makes an admirable comrade.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Things really got fucked when the same folks who brought us the great depression signed the Permanent Apportionment Act that permanently capped the number of representatives at 435. Representation has shifted from 1 representative per 280k people to 1 per 760k.

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    There's no lever to derail.

    There's no reason to kill people quickly while you two to derail the trolley in the meantime.

    Of course, now the trolley I'm guessing you're referencing in the meme has the lever jammed to red, so either it doesn't matter any more. The point is moot.

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    Yeah I'm the one projecting, not the Lemmy moderator who calls me useless while sitting in his mom's basement rping a revolutionary

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    A) You are useless. B) You don't have a clue where anyone is sitting or what their contributions are, you just want a convenient excuse to ignore valid criticism and you're more than happy to make shit up to discredit your critics. Trump would be proud.

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    You are right, I have no idea where he's sitting. He could be in his mom's attic, or maybe even the guest bedroom. I don't know his contributions, but I do know that he's just roleplaying a revolutionary, because he hasn't named one building that he's burnt down. Hell, I'll take a billboard or something

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you don't know his contributions then your assertion that he's "roleplaying" is a baseless accusation, one that you're making specifically and exclusively to delegitimize his entirely valid criticism. Also burning a billboard down would do jack shit to disempower the current government or aid in organizing resistance, and admitting to such an action online or anywhere else would obviously be terrible opsec, you're either an incurable moron or a fucking fed.

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    Big King Shit of Toilet Town telling me I'm nobody here lmfao

    Do a revolution, don't do a revolution, I don't care at this point. No amount of ban hammering is going to change the fact that online arguments against other people on the left are entirely politically ineffectual. You can internalize that statement and decide to make some change in the real world, or you can keep grasping at what little facsimile of authority you can in tiny little online communities that you make yourself. But you're not even a mod here; we're equals in this community. If you don't like me speaking truth to your non-power, then block me already.

    And if I'm wrong, and you are actually organizing in your community, and you do actually use your votes strategically, good. Ignore me. I'm some random on the internet, I should not be able to get under your skin this easily

    ETA: What bugs me the most about this argument is that we agree on more than we don't. This just comes down to anti-electoralism. It's fine to be anti-electoralist, but if you limit your political efforts to just arguing with other leftists online, you're doing nothing. I'm not going to vote third party in '28 unless there's a damn good chance they beat Trump. If it's a repeat of the last 24 elections, then it's a race between The Party That Wants Smallpox Back and The Party That Doesn't Want Smallpox Back, and allowing the former to win just because you don't like all of the policies of the latter is a fantastic way to die of fucking smallpox.

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    Maybe you should spend less time in your little secret clubhouse making fun of other leftists, and start actually making political progress. Like, Mamdani isn't gonna win NYC by having a bunch of fans secretly get together and make fun of everyone who votes for him

    Although it would actually make my day if you told me that Mamdani is just as bad as Adams or Cuomo

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    generally useless and spineless

    You are useless and spineless. You do not do any actual revolution, any actual overthrowing, you sit there and talk the talk but you aren't willing to actually walk the walk.

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    You don't give a shit about anything but your own comfort and safety, you stand for nothing, fuck off

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Neither do you. Pure hypocrisy to say this kind of thing without action.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    You don't have a clue what actions I or anyone else here are taking and you don't actually care, you're just another spineless liberal looking for an easy excuse to ignore valid criticism by making shit up to discredit your critics

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    I do have a clue lol. The clue that they're all still alive. You're doing nothing. I do my part to further political causes in the real world situations. You sit here online, talking without participating in real world organization.

    Don't get me wrong. If you were actually doing something, I support that in full. But you aren't.

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    I'd be happy if you were actually killing them, and that makes me a fed (:

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Easy enough to say, not very believable from you in this context tho

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    That's hilarious that you think that a paranoid schizophrenic who calls everyone who he dislikes a fed has any say in what's believable

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    everyone is a fed to you. talk about paranoid schizophrenia

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    I said moron or fed, learn to read moron

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    stupid people will always use insults as their way of communication

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Have you considered crying about it?

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    no , why would i? because you do it?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    It's a meme, not a political dissertation devoid of flaws. As such I find it hilarious. I'd still vote for the lesser evil while trying to help in other ways between elections.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It slows down a little temporarily when it’s blue

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's not quite true. While the trolley is red, it's also actively accelerating; rapidly increasing the harm being done.

    Changing the color to blue means that it's only passively accelerating.

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    Participation in the leaderless, lateral organization necessary for an anarchist society requires an ability to understand the praxis of both yourself and of others. You don't necessarily need to accept and adopt it, and consistently challenging each other's goals and methodologies is going to become the bedrock of the movement.

    That being said, stone-wall history to a comrade working towards similar goals is how authoritarianism creeps in. Ultimately, you're among friends, here. Talk on the actual points, we'll participate in good faith.

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