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[–] 32 points 1 year ago*

Canary coal mine kind of signal (pardon the pun)

Edit: they also obviously do not have a choice. If they legally must weaken their work and the core of their work is that it's not weak... then they have no work. So they can't accept it.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If signal pulls out of Europe we're in a pretty fucked state. Apps like signal will be reduced to operations it a few fringe countries eventually

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Signal does not have a large enough userbase to threaten something like this. EU will just shrug and move on.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This is the right choice.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I always threaten to pull out, but I never do

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dumbass. Always pull out. And wear a condom.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Shocker. I do however wonder what prevents someone from downloading and installing the apk to their phone. Am I wrong in believing this is a real way to bypass them leaving a market?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    what prevents someone from downloading and installing the apk to their phone

    google.

    https://www.androidsage.com/2025/08/26/google-blocks-sideloading-of-android-apps/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    yeah, except according to my understanding of the topic, there is not much adult alternatives. graphene will have the same problem.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you are running Android Open Source Project without Google Play Services, Google has no control. However, manufacturers could be pressured into locking bootloaders and then no one gets AOSP or GrapheneOS at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Please check out https://fightchatcontrol.eu/ if you want to take action against this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I don't understand how this "threat" is supposed to work. If the law passes won't any and all chat encryption be affected? In that case it doesn't matter how you get the app, or if you manage to get it in europe. Its encryption will be broken/unavailable.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Laws don't magically break encryption. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

    They're trying to force Signal to weaken the application, Signal says they won't do it.

    They can ban Signal for not complying, but you know how difficult it is to ban a digital application? It might make it more popular since it'll be one of very few actually secure messaging apps out there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I imagined the law would be enforced by a deal with google and some global android state approved keylogger/backdoor completely bypassing all apps including Signal. But yeah, I'm having trouble wrapping my brain around this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Recently Google announced they were going to restrict certified Android devices to only allowing apps approved by Google. An F-Droid member found references to "blocked developers" in the new verification code. It's not unreasonable to assume that this developer blocklist could be region-dependent and Google could use this ability to block Signal from being installed in EU.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I suspect that signal will be asked to add a backdoor to their encryption, they will refuse and subsequently banned from EU app stores.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    banned from EU app stores

    What even is that? Aren't the 2 app official app stores American anyway?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes they are based in america but they have to comply with regional laws since they operate internationally. the apps available in these stores, and the laws that apply to them, differ per country.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    If I understood correctly "they" here means Google and Apple because they are corporations that sell products, advertisement brokerage, SaaS, physical devices, etc in the EU. They have to comply otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money if one of the most profitable markets. They solely chose to comply because it puts their baseline at risk, not solely because of regional laws.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Anywhere to petition or digitally sign?

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