In 2015, I disliked Christianity, but harbored no desire to see it eliminated from society entirely. "An' harm ye none..."

Now, in 2025, I'm convinced that democracy can only survive in the long run if Christianity, as a social force, dies entirely.

It's extremely generous of you to assume they know anything other than the most brain-stemmy calculous of "fabric word say heaven, it's talking about the thing I like."

Oh, have I EVER seen a better case of "barking at the wrong tree"!

Its current context is that of Armageddon.

The people who fly that flag these days are members of or supporting the end times accelerationist group, NAR, the New Apostolic Reformation.

The only thing they want to rebel against is life on earth so Jesus can come back.

See my post in this thread and search my other comments for NAR and 7 MM (7 mountain mandate).

This is a good one to start with: https://lemmy.ca/post/32347799/12610094

"They’re believers, Mr. Howard. Pentecostalist dispensationalists—they are saved, but they are surrounded by the unsaved, and they think their master is returning imminently, and anyone who isn’t saved by the time of his arrival is doomed. So they intend to save everyone whether or not they want to be saved..."

--Charles Stross, The Apocalypse Codex

I trailed off that quote because it's a spoiler.

Thanks for sharing the info. Man that flag was kinda cool during the revolution and now it's cringe and stupid.

Yes, yes, but you see, Harris failed to rebuke Biden on the campaign trail, so. Obviously this needed to happen.

Marty ran over the other one

They do not know who they are trying to appeal to

Make them?

Yeah I cannot stand it when people use that term for the terrorists that attacked our country on J6. Terrorists is probably the most correct term; insurrectionist is the compromise, but calling these assholes "rioters"? WTAF.

Like they just happened to get carried away during a "peaceful protest" and suddenly summoned the gallows, the noose, the zip-ties, had stashes of weapons, comms, prior intel, and not to mention the bombs they placed...

The younger iirc

This made me think that perhaps the reason they want to ignore mental illness as a thing is because they realize how crazy it sounds to believe in an invisible sky man who judges you when you die.

You should spend some time talking to Unitarian Universalists.

I'm down, but it would require reintegration into the shit stain that is organized religion. This is also coming from an ex minister. Once you're behind that pulpit, your words are law. Getting into that place where a large congregation would actually listen to you would most likely require some moral compromises.

Are you queer? You are irrelevant.

Are you not white? You are irrelevant.

Are you sexualy active? You are irrelevant.

Are you pregnant? You are irrelevant.

Are you compassionate? You are irrelevant.

Your job is to interpret the Bible in a way that people enjoy. You reinforce their ideals. I have no idea how to pull everyone I knew into a 180°.

How do you propose we change these brainwashed peoples' minds? If you have legitimate theory, I'm listening. All I can think of is showing up to church and talking to people, but it SUCKS there.

One example:

"ABORTION IS MURDER"

"It can't think yet"

"IT HAS A SOUL"

How do I respond to that? What can I possibly tell a person that's that nieve that they're being sexist?

I witnessed people use their time to speak against the church while they were on stage. They get pulled off and disappeared (not killed, blacklisted). A lot of the people there are dependent on the church, so they can't speak up. So even if you have the stage, you maybe have 5 minutes. Change the world. Go for it. This is coming from the experience of an ex minister at the Salvation Army.

I'm not a maga thanks