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[–] 387 points 1 year ago (12 children)

We actually live in a world now in which the President of the United States explicitly states his intent to overtly violate the first amendment and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.

    Mainstream media at least. Thankfully, Arstechnica and The Verge have been shouting from the rooftops at how unconstitutional and fascist the trump regime is being.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I think we actually get to understand now how Hitler came to power. I remember in school, I was mystified how such an hateful man could become a leader of a country. Now I understand.

    History will most likely repeat itself and humanity needs a big war to once again remember what hate leads to.

    It just sucks for the ones who already learned that lesson from basic history.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    the media just repeats it

    The media reports on it, attempting to do so from a neutral point of view.

    I actually appreciate that the professional media is still attempting to stick to a neutral point of view. If they abandon that, you get media like MSNBC and Fox News where every single news story is discussed from a certain political point of view. That just sorts people into camps that listen to the news source that agrees with their perceived notions, which then radicalizes them even more.

    If people can't agree on a basic set of facts, then there's no point to having a democracy. A media that covers the facts with as little bias as possible is essential to that working.

    That isn't to say that I think the media is doing a great job. The big media companies that are owned by the oligarchs are doing especially badly. When Trump does something like this, responsible media that's attempting to be unbiased should at least connect historical dots, like other times that presidents have threatened the media, and what the results of that have been.

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  • [–] 118 points 1 year ago
    [–] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The open corruption, clear as day illegal and unconstitutional moves, and his overall smugness is embarrassing.

    The GOP has gone insane to allow this man to continue like this. They are all sick with power and are hoping to "get theirs" next from daddy trump.

    They are ALL traitors and should be charged for allowing the crimes to continue.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But they don't have the fucking power. They're letting Trump do whatever he wants, and eroding their own authority in the process.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Sure, it'll just kill the app in the US because fascists lack any creativity so it'll become a stale echo chamber before people just leave

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [+] -31 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Look out everyone, edgy guy detected

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Bro. You’re just a weird weird little Imp here, Are you hoping to trigger people, is that all that gets you off these days? Is that the only way you can cum.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I’m not even the first guy. Tik Tok is a mess and if it dies that’s probably not the worst thing. Ot sure what your deal is.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    Oh sure, but it's the lefties who are in their echo chambers.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So, Trump effectively nationalized TikTok, valued at $300b. He sells it to friendly oligarchs for $15b. So far, this is basically the post-USSR playbook, and how Roman Abravmovich, Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Lisin, etc. got so rich.

    But it might piss off his oligarch buddies if he drives all the users off TikTok making what seemed like a steal into something worthless instead.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it's normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.

    And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn't compete, which didn't kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn't quite recover.

    About driving users off - that doesn't really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers' experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it's more of VK's experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, this is one way to kill tiktok

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    In other words, trump says "Stop looking for the Epstein files!".

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    and that is what we call another piece of their propaganda machine

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And there it is.

    Precisely as WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    He also said Americans won't have to worry about China spying on them anymore or something like that.... right before saying this

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He also said Americans won't have to worry about voting again

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He said Christians won't have to worry about voting again.

    Still fucking ominous, but for slightly different reasons.

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  • [+] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What does it take to get people to switch, though? The owner of X did a Nazi salute in front of a national audience. Twice. And most people are still on there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They just don't care or don't even see it because they live in their personal bubble of like, sports news and little more.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bye bye tiktok then, fully right spaces never thrive

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So desperate to propagandize the youth.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I think people won't care, at least this demographic fellow Gen Z. They still gonna use the app. Arguemnts such as "oh everyone uses this to send funny tiktoks to themselves it's not that big of a deal" it will be just more shit to go through. Similar thing to Twitter. Everyone is so pissed at Elon because more bot accounts, you can't or couldn't block him and other shady stuff but still uses the twitter (X) because... everyone uses it.

    But I also hope it will kill the app.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’m seeing people moving to sky (or whatever it’s called). It takes time for people to switch social media platforms.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Oh yeah true. Some people switched to Bluesky (I think that what you meant). I remember the (especially artists) moved like 2-3 years ago because all this changes about feeding the AI and Twitter just being garbage (all porn bots and people being hateful about anything you do).

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    hope he does it and it's the thing that kills tiktok.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Trump says TikTok should be tweaked to become “100% Epstein files”

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Had to leave Twitter when it became a Nazi site, I can leave TikTok to I guess.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I never used either. Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.

    But then I also gave up broadcast TV before even Netflix was popular. Just spent a small fortune on bargain bin DVDs instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I've been averse to trends like this, but I did get on Facebook and Insta this summer at the urging of some friends (I run a nonprofit so it's useful to network). By last week I had both apps on my phone and was just numbscrolling through Insta videos. Realized my mental health had gone to absolute shit in weeks. Deleted the apps andI'm feeling myself again.

    It really is dangerous what they've created, if I didn't have ambition, I would be right there zombified.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.

    It was less a "cultural thing" and more a functional drift. From the RSS feed to Web2.0 timelines to feed by preference to The Algorithm of ad-promoted content.

    Like with email, it wasn't always just a fountain of spam. Our systems have been deliberately and predatorially enshittified.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's a great deal of real news that goes through the app. It's the majority of the content I see.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is there though?

    I know this sounds sarcastic, but I'm genuinely curious as I have never used TikTok at all. It there any way to verify the stuff that's being shown? Do news accounts link to articles or any supporting information?

    All I've ever really seen from people sharing stuff has been new typical meme stuff and AI generated crap that people keep sending me thinking it's real.

    How can you tell if what you're seeing is real?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The good "creators" to follow for news generally provide a summary in Tiktok, then if you want to verify or learn more they have additional information and sources in their other locations (substack is a big one)

    I can generally tell if it's AI generated, and if I have any suspicion then I try to find other reports and real sources via Google searches and whatnot. Like I didn't believe the gold trump statue, or the trump and Epstein statue were real.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I sometimes feel like the only mf around who doesn't and never used tiktok. From the very start it just gave off bad vibes, and then all the news started coming out about it rotting your attention span away, data collection and russian manipulation winning hearts of young people, which pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Ironically reddit feels like a much safer platform than tiktok.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Wow that sounds like a fun way to bankrupt another company

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he's doing.

    I suppose that's why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.

    Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don't know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Trump has wanted to destroy the United States since we captured Epstein in 2011 and shut down the best of his trafficking ring. It was never the same after that and that’s why he was suddenly so outspoken about Obama.

    Take away a narcissist’s toys and they’ll just vow revenge at all costs. He doesn’t care that he’s destroying millions of lives - we took away his favorite thing; underaged “playmates”.

    The rest of them are just assholes who think they can get rich and in some cases, have.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    When the USSR collapsed, it made some well-connected millionaires into billionaires. When the USA collapses, it makes billionaires into trillionaires.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It made very different people millionaires and billionaires. Some local businessmen (a very American type in stereotypes, something between a conman and a normal mom and pop business owner), some professors with good understanding of mathematics involved, some translators for big people, some red directors who converted their Soviet power into new power.

    And in my childhood I thought they are all thieves, my worldview is more nuanced now. Life is complex.

    People talk of KGB as of the main important target of all potential lustrations in the future, but Eugene Kaspersky is KGB, and of people meaningful in Russia he's honestly very fine. Some people talk of Yeltsin as someone good, but he was a Politburo member. People who remember general Lebed sometimes think he was killed because he was an honest patriotic politician, and he surely made the impression with that simple Soviet flat with a rug on the wall, that Siberian manner of speech, those pacifist and humanist things he would say in interviews (he managed to say without accusations and conflict that people who are mafia or terrorists or both for one government are friends for another and this is business as usual ; he also managed to say without losing any dignity or surrendering any important point that Russians can't fight more wars after the XX century and that people fight to live in peace, these seem pretty obvious, but some obvious things don't sound good on TV), except when he was made governor of his part of the world, he quickly became, eh, a normal governor - with new realty and a lover in Moscow, with very expensive idiotic PR actions (like that campaign with Alain Delon in the middle of a depressive Soviet junkyard with a Lenin statue endorsing Lebed), and so on, somehow the memory of him omits those few last years of his life, before the helicopter crash.

    Now when I think about it, I didn't think they are all thieves, I knew life is complex and that I don't personally know all these people.

    So - American billionaires don't want to be trillionaires, I think. They want to be princes. Perhaps patricians. Or maybe mandarins. The issue is that they are blind to how all three things existed, using them as labels for their own dream of power over humans without complications. Princes were subject to God, Pope and their suzerain, multiple such sometimes, like in Brittany or Holsten or ... Patricians obeyed the customs of their republic, whose first citizen usually was a plebeian - the man who was first named "first citizen" notably was, and his cognomen is now used to refer to emperors. Mandarins lived in the kingdom where the only unbreakable law was the mandate of heaven, and weren't considered better people - certainly no more than as far as their emperor had it.

    I believe we will endure. I don't know about the USA, but maybe it's for the best that this project goes to version 2.0 .

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Russia wanted the us bankrupt and as corrupt as them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Russia is 1) not that powerful by far, 2) its elites, those very ones spoken about when expressing these conspiracy theories, are pissing hot water from a mere hint of being friends with any US administration.

    They have sort of an inferiority complex, there was recently a damned TV report, apparently, about an American diplomat visiting a cafe and ordering a cheburek (Central Asian street food). It's so much bootlicking that one can confidently say Russia's elites are much bigger US fans than Russians in average.

    They might be unintentionally making the effect you described upon the US, while trying to somehow become part of its processes, but it's a small nudge compared to the more serious reasons.

    I think this is because the people who are now Russia's elite came to power in the 90s, a lot of ex-Soviet people looked at the situation pretty simply - as in "we were the losing superpower in this cold war thing, now it's ended and we are friends, so we are going to become like America in those movies with white middle class people all owning cars and houses", and those of them who were doing politics, apparently, wanted to have their own political system as "cool" (or whatever, some immeasurable feeling) as the American one.

    The Iron Curtain was a huge mistake, people who put it in place were thinking in 30s categories when the 30s were long gone. People inside thought that they only put barriers before you to protect something you'd want to have. A generation of Soviet people grew with that feeling, where everything Soviet was boring and bad, and everything Western magical and good. It wasn't even about freedom or morality. Just about "coolness". People breaking the USSR in the 80s and 90s knew that the world around it isn't virtuous and kind, but they thought it's "cooler". Everyone thinks they'd do well when put into an adventure, when safe. Nobody thinks they'll be some guy who gets eaten by a crocodile on the second page, or a coward, or an idiot, or a sucker.

    So. When the Russian "wide mass" realized that for the West it consists of suckers and crocodile fodder, it became disillusioned and the wound healed, except for some rare idiots who kept believing into that picture, not being exposed to reality.

    When the Russian elites realized that, they just decided to lower the bar, and be content with playing US sometimes, and getting US citizenship for themselves and their children, and being there often, and playing with US politics. I don't think it's directed at somehow corrupting and undoing the US, simply not enough power. They are just regularly touching in the shop something they can't afford to buy.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I’m glad I never installed that shitty app

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I used it for the first and last time after Charlie Kirk, because it was one of the few places where the memes were more or less unmoderated. They’re going to have a fun time trying to crack down on that I guess.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I used to be like you I used to think it was just full of young kids doing silly dances, turns out a lot of information doesn’t really need more than two or three minutes to explain it and everything else is fluff so yeah, it’s a great place. I don’t know where this hate comes from.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (4 children)
  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can easily avoid big influencers on the app. It’s a lot of small people sharing bits and pieces of their individual lives for entertainment And Education It’s so great.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Short form video is the single best propaganda machine there is. You don’t get context, so it’s easy to manipulate events. Also, for some reason, people really fall for the “authority” of some rando talking into a camera like they know what the hell they’re talking about.

    Every time somebody shows me a TikTok video as a reference or to make a point, the information is either fake or completely incorrect.

    Not to mention, The algorithm feeds you more of these talking heads and makes you think it’s the general consensus

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    These are all good points, but I fact check and I don’t fall for stupid easily shareable meme bullshit, everybody’s algorithm is their own so yeah echo chambers are easy to get into but it’s mostly just slice of life type content. That’s the really good stuff

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Here's how this works:

    1. Network is created that doesn't discriminate on speech.
    2. The left wins debates and it becomes increasingly liberal over time.
    3. Far right billionaires buy it to stop those process.
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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    That's why decentralized platforms have to be the answer. They might not be impossible to co-opt, but they're certainly more difficult.

    I've been warning people about this stuff for years, and they wouldn't listen. I'm not happy about being right. It sucks!

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Whenever conservatives argue or demand that something be changed because they want it to .... you know that any change they make will only last as long as the money is flowing.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is nothing but outright propaganda designed to assert themselves in a good light.

    America: you are fucked.

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