It's so embarrassing that other countries even need to address the antiscience dumbfuckery coming from this administration.
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Rfk was trying to say Trump should get the peace prize for the covid vaccine.
So, despite all of their vax bashing, I think he's still cooking that scheme and don't want to pin autism on it right now.
If they had tried to link autism to vaccines, they would have had to show some evidence to support it. They do not have any evidence to support the claim that vaccines cause autism.
But there isn't evidence linking autism to Tylenol either, right?
An article from last April in JAMA also compared between a no-control cohort and a sibling-control cohort. When a control is there for comparison, the potential correlation goes away meaning it's just as likely any findings are confounded anyway.
There's also a correlation between mothers who breathe air while pregnant and children who develop autism. And sometimes even children who don't!
That was shit, underpowered science that should never have been funded or published. A proper Swedish study of 2.5 million proves, without a doubt, no correlation.
Granting agencies and universities need to get their shit together and teach epidemiologists how to do proper science because at this point, it's pretty close to psychology.
There is a correlation between mothers who take tylenol while pregnant and children who develop autism in some studies.
All people with autism, also had mothers who consumed water during their pregnancy... Did water cause autism?
But it could be just as likely that autism is both hereditary
At this point, it's almost a certainty that this is the case, possibly activated by environmental influences during pregnancy. However, none of the influences have been identified, as there's (Last I looked) about 30 separate DNA sequences that are related to autism in people.
For what it's worth... there's about the same number of DNA sequences involved in someone requiring corrective lenses.
No but gimme five minutes in excel and I could get you some.
It might take then 50.
Being really good at trains has been conclusively linked to autism.
Behind closed doors, they probably are beginning to understand that it would be a public health disaster if they actually removed access to vaccines so Tylenol is a more innocuous scapegoat. I always avoided it because problems with alcohol interaction. In reality the culprit is more likely to be heavy pesticide use enabled by gmo roundup resistant crops.
Wait, 500mg Tylenol is "extra strength"? Dafalgan Forte is 1g.
To be fair I don't think CONCLUSIVE evidence is the bar we need to pass to be careful.
AFAIK paracetamol is proven to be very safe when used as recommended.
Also AFAIK there is ZERO evidence it should cause autism.
This is the vaccine bullshit all over again, false claims of crazy side-effects without any evidence, but only anecdotal bullshit, that if true research would have detected decades ago.
It's like claiming water causes traffic accidents: "Hey my son drank a cup of water, and the next day he died in a traffic accident!"
Damned it's tiresome to have to hear and see those morons get so much space in media by other morons all the time.
I'm not blaming this article, that's an OK article, but the reason this article exist is the above.
That is the problem. The language of science versus the understanding of the language is science by the wilfully ignorant and shockingly stupid.
"There's is no conclusive evidence..."
"So there is evidence!"
The most extensive study of acetaminophen use by pregnant women following 2.4 million women showed NO EVIDENCE OF ANY LINK BETWEEN TYLENOL/PARACETAMOL USE AND AUTISM.
The science/medical community needs to dumb it down for the dumbth.
It's pretty stupid to call it conclusive evidence, since evidence in science very rarely is conclusive. In medicine it's generally statistic, and there are always a chance if you test 5 million people, that the 5 million and 1 will be different.
So it's not about average people being unable to understand scientific terms in this case, but it's simply not a reasonable statement by any normal use of the language. Of course there isn't conclusive evidence, because that's an insane bar.
If this shit caused autism then a stupid massive amount of gen Z and gen A would be autistic... which they aren't...
While the effort is appreciated. This news came from a failed gameshow host who ran 2 different casinos into the ground and a lean addict who swims in sewage for fun. 2nd guy also has a worm in his brain.
Like i said. Appreciated, but unnecessary. The people who believe those two are the same people who were shitting out their intestinal lining a few years ago to "own the libs" while they died in droves because vaccines are the mark of Satan or something.
I'm so sick of this misinformation circulating about RFK having a worm in his brain. He had a worm in his brain. It died because RFK's thoughts are that toxic.
Fake news. He is the worm now.
It's why he talks like that.
In seriousness, he likely talks like that due to vocal chord paralysis caused by heroin.
Is Tylenol suing the living christ out of this administration or what? Where are they at in all of this? Not least of which, they should be saying acetomenophen/paracetamol, rather than the brand name of one manufacturer of those drugs
“Canada confirms it WAS the vaccines all along!”
Again the problem is how this is written ... "no conclusive evidence" will be read as "There is a small sliver of evidence pointing towards the general direction of..."
It should say "There is no evidence of... at all".
Pretty sure several Greek philosophers were autistic. It’s obvious from their writings. Tylenol didn’t exist then, so what’s the excuse there?
Oh wow, jeez, maybe neurodivergence has always existed. No, it can’t be that. Also, we just have to make sure everyone conforms because other people being ‘weird’ makes us uncomfortable.
You mean autistic people…are human? 🤯
Imagine thinking neurotypes are binary and not a gradient of human experiences. Imagine also thinking one swath of neurotypes is a disease and not also simply part of said human experience.
These are also the same jackasses who think only one sleep pattern is “correct” despite..well, history, but that’s a separate rant.
No actually autistic people think "in black and white" and I'm not autistic so I do not think "in black and white." I am very smart and correct (and good at logic)
As I’ve aged, it seems my sleep pattern has gone medieval: I go to sleep at 11pm, wake at 2am, go back to sleep at 5am, and wake at 8am.
Can’t seem to break it, and it’s been that way for a couple of years now. It’s a bit shifted from the medieval times (probably because I’m on my phone til later; I think they did more like 8-12, and 3-6), but the pattern is pretty similar.
Many countries avoid acetaminophen for good medical reasons related to liver damage. But no way will a xenophobic country take lessons from another country.
I just want to know what Tylenol did to piss off Trump & friends
They didn't. Crackhead Kennedy just needs a scapegoat and that's the correlation during that time period. Trumps making America weaker but himself stronger
Parents will leap to anything to explain their autistic children, except maybe asking themselves "am I autistic but was never diagnosed".
My brother in law is in denial that my niece is autistic. Says all the things she does are normal things that he does. One day the penny might drop.
We somehow need to convince these people that any and all medical treatment will give you autism or turn you trans or something.
Did you know that if you get a blood transfusion and the donor is trans, you're exposed to enough hormones that you can become trans too? It's way too dangerous to get a blood transfusion these days. /s
(Using this as an example specifically because I know trans people who were turned away from giving blood in the first place, including a trans girl I used to date. She was assumed to have a significantly more risky sexual history than she actually did, and I'm also negative for HIV)
But what about Paracetemol?
/s - its the same thing, and absolutely motherfuck the American pharmaceutical industry for giving it another name and confusing everyone.
Paracetamol is safe. It's that acetaminophen that you have to avoid! /s
Had to Google because I've wondered why but never actually looked into it, and so in case anyone else also hasn't:
Charles Frédéric Gerhardt (1852): This French chemist is sometimes credited with being the first to synthesize the compound, though this is debated.
Harmon Northrop Morse (1878): Morse, an American chemist, is also cited for first preparing the compound. However, the discovery was not pursued for medicinal purposes at the time.
I haven't gone further than that because I'm going to be late to work, really pushing the limit today, but something I'm definitely interested in looking into.
Regardless, the drug name is N-acetyl-para-aminophenol, and so both Names™ are in there. Stupid! Although paracetamol is kinda stretching it.
Let's just call it N-tylol. Jesus that's how they came up with Tylenol.
Paracetamol is the correct generic name in English outside of north America, and is broadly used throughout Europe/middle east and Africa as the generic name.
Acetaminophen is the generic name largely only in north america
America is the only country that allows direct to consumer drug marketing.
Doctors in KC, especially at KU Med Center put out a statement disagreeing with Trump/RFK too.
KC Doctors React to Tylenol - Fox4 News in KC Article
Dr. Marc Parrish, KU Med - YouTube Short - 1:10
And promptly had a bomb threat the next day.
"No conclusive evidence" -> "No evidence."
"Conclusive" here is used as a weasel word.
Maybe someone can help me out with this... Every time I look at the scientific literature, it suggests that there is likely a link between acetaminophen use and changes in neural development in fetuses/very young children. Folks on Lemmy seem to feel that there is in fact NO evidence. Am I just looking at the wrong papers?
For example: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814214/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0892036224000011 https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/article-abstract/138/1/139/1672900 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/toxicology/articles/10.3389/ftox.2022.867748/full
There's a correlation, but not a causal link.
For example, lets say... A certain virus, that has a fever and headache as a symptom. If a pregnant woman contracts said virus, she likely will take acetaminophen for it.
Now, let's also say, that particular virus can cause the markers responsible for autism to activate.
So, since the virus is unknown, the only correlation we see is the acetaminophen use, while pregnant.
Did the unknown (yet) virus cause it, or did the acetaminophen use cause it?
This is a study in mice, using the word "likely" here is a stretch. And the discussion is specifically about links to autism, not developmental problems generally.
I haven't looked at the other links, but the first study was funded by WPLab, Inc.
WPLab, Inc just so happens to run https://www.preventautism.org/, so I can already see several biases at play, which could influence the conclusions drawn by such a study.
It's been know for decades that NSAIDs and acetaminophen are more dangerous then the pharmaceutical companies want us to think. They are the cause of the most overdose deaths in America (legal drugs).
To find a causal relationship between acetaminophen and autism will likely never happen, but a correlation is worth paying attention to. If people are telling you it's perfectly safe, they're confused or lying to you. There's no free lunch. Everything has a cost.
Incredible!!! So the guy saying that injecting yourself with bleach was a cure against covid was spreading bullshit all along?! Who'd've thought!
I, for one, believe Canada.
This is why I voted for the other party. Both parties are not the same. The dems aren't as far left as I would like but they are better than this by far.
This is a particularly nasty claim to make as acetaminophen is one of the few painkillers generally seen as safe to take during pregnancy. Ibuprofen is to be avoided after 20 weeks, and Aspirin is not recommended at all. So by making this claim it takes away one of the few painkillers left to women in pregnancy.
I feel like the disclaimer should be waived here
Still makes sense to cross-check information with other health agencies outside the US.
But why should we need multiple sources to provide overwhelming evidence against what is equivalent to a senile old man shouting that cooties are caused by touching girls?
Edit: actually, for fucks sake at least cooties already existed in popular culture. This shit is completely pulled out of his brain worm's arse.
Stop giving the morons attention.
Might as well be using NASA to prove the Earth isn't flat.
If a flat earther becomes POTUS and attempts to implement policies to legitimize flat earth, it's not a waste of resources to use NASA to deny the President's claims.
True.
I'm just pointing out Canadian scientists are using time for it, when ideally shit like this should be handled by the country itself.
It's not about the science. They don't believe in it and never have. Remember the Flat Earthers proved themselves wrong and still didn't believe it.
So it's more to due with the psychologists and whatnot.
The higher, pretentious form of stupidity stands only too often in crass opposition to [its] honorable form. It is not so much lack of intel gence as failure of intelligence, for the reason that it presumes to accomplishments to which it has no right ... The stupidity this address is no mental illness, yet it is most lethal; a dangerous disease of the mind that endangers life itself.... [S]ince the 'higher stupidity' consist not in an inability to understand but in a refusal to understand, any healing or reversal of it will not occur through rational argumentatio through a greater accumulation of data and knowledge, or through experiencing new and different feelings ... We may say that the reve of a spiritual sickness must entail a spiritual cure.
It sucks that time and effort need to be spent to refute this easily disproven bullshit.
Oh yeah, something something Epstein files



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