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[–] [S] 111 points 1 year ago (13 children)

My local gay bar posted on Facebook about a massive increase in harassment, as well as a physical assault on a patron.

Stochastic terrorism.

A trans woman was attacked in Washington last week. People on Facebook are mask off, saying it was deserved.

Is this going to explode into an orgy of violence and then finally die down? Will something bad enough happy than people will be shamed back into calling evil, evil?

There were two separate shootings at homeless camps last week. I barely saw coverage of it.

I feel so much pressure and fear that I can’t think. I don’t understand why people are filled with so much hate. It can’t feel good, can it?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We have our Pride in October because of the summer heat, the board of my organization isn't worried about booth setup or swag or elevator speeches. They primarily want a map showing every possible exit scenario depending on where a shooter might begin. We are going forward with the expectation that Prides will be more violent. And that breaks my heart.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It'll take multiple occurrences of a cisgender person being misgendered and shot to death over it for anything to happen and even then it'll be on the "thoughts and prayers" level of effort as it is with every other shooting that happens near daily here

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  • [–] [S] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I’ve shared articles about cis women being accused of being trans in bathrooms/harassed, the response is always “this wouldn’t have happened if trans women stayed out of women’s bathrooms to begin with.”

    They just seem to want to hate.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It breaks my heart to read a sane, reasonable person being in the US right now. Hold tight, I hope you survive this

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago (72 children)

    These fucking slack jawed brainlets still haven't come to terms with the fact that Kirk's killer was one of their own.

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  • [+] -84 points 1 year ago (71 children)

    Tyler Robinson was probably a leftist!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    /s?

    He was raised Mormon in a full MAGA family, and nearly all photos show him surrounded with rifles.

    He may have been confused, and I can buy he went libertarian, but if he was a leftist, I’ll eat my hat on camera.

    e: oh no, it wasn’t /s, judging by your other comments. That’s just sad.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You seem to be projecting your ‘scream-cry’ onto me, when all I did was give you the statistics you asked for.

    I’ll not hold your hand when you can’t click links and read, and I’ll not entertain your childish soliloquies.

    Type another inane dissertation all you like – I didn’t sign up here to be an elementary school teacher.

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  • [+] -21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You read the comment thread in which someone else posted links, but not my response to that… Superb

    Yea, dismiss my argument and do pretend that you didn’t read the exerts from the bbc article that delved into his presumed beliefs! Kinda happy you fuck off, you have nothing to contribute

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sigh. My comment, my links.

    Here, I’ll post it again, since you seem to be a bit in need of coffee or something:

    Yes, statistically.

    Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

    Want to claim the government and independent studies are fake again?

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You think I am going to memorize usernames? And why aren’t you responding to my question that I posed to your brilliant argument? Why don’t you think that black people committed this crime? They are statistically more likely to do so

    Also, aren’t you the pup who claimed the one source I have been posting again and agaon is not from the bbc…? You are! Who is having issues opening and reading links?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Because I spent the time to give you actual information and you’ve ignored it. I had enough respect to at least notice who I was talking to – I’m sorry you didn’t have the same courtesy. I didn’t even downvote you, though you’ve downvoted me.

    Why should I respect your time and comments when you’ve proven you don’t respect mine?

    eta: and where did I claim your source wasn’t from the BBC? I said it was irrelevant and wasn’t the link we were talking about at the time. You’re clearly not listening at all.

    In fact, I’ve wasted too much time with you already. Don’t bother replying. Or if you do, enjoy shouting into the void.

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago

    I have responded to your source every time, its you still refuse to amswer the one question that point out how sad your argument is

    By far the saddest dismissal of an argument I have seen today is that I didn’t memorize your argument… Maybe if you stayed in 1 comment strand then I wouldn’t have an issue by telling you apart from the multiple arguments I am having on multiple platforms with multiple people on each! Welp, not that you had anything to add

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (29 children)
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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Yes, statistically.

    Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.

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  • [+] -60 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    Thats the weakest argument I have heard today and I spike with a flat earth believer…

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    and I spike with a flat earth believer…

    I believe you.

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Someone who is scientifically illiterate to plead someone else’s argument is far less bad as being so ideologically blinded as to be incapable of accepting that ‘a’ thing was done by your tribe!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What a completely ridiculous statement. You don’t actually believe all that do you?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    I do! I could easily get the guy to realize that he does not understand what he is talking about and what he is denying!

    Lets compare that to here! Here I was called a maga right winger, an american, a troll and crazy for calling the killer leftist with the info with which I arrived to that conclusion! I have asked multiple times why anyone thinks he is right winger and despite the hundreds of down votes no one answered….

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    What?

    You asked for statistics, and here are the statistics.

    And spiking a flat-earther isn’t the flex you think it is. I could probably spike a 2nd grader, but I wouldn’t brag about doing it.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Statistics don't give any evidence about the ideology of any particular shooting. The statistics say that around 20% are done by people on the left.

    That's nowhere near close enough to confidently state Robinson wasn't on the left.

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  • [+] -27 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I could not comprehend why anyone would use that word there… Do you think it would be an intelligent thing to say that black people must be behind crime ‘a’ or say this crime, because statistically they commit more crime? Oh, but this nonsense must work in your proposition because its in favor of your rhetoric!

    That was not a flex, it was an insult :))

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    I could not comprehend

    You could have stopped there.

    Click links, read links. The information is there for you, if you’d take a moment to learn.

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    And I am sure that those statistics are right! Comparably why don’t you believe that a black person committed this crime? They are statistically more likely to commit crimes!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes, everything is a conspiracy, and everything I don’t like is fake.

    No wonder you engage with flerfers – they’re the only people you can best in mental combat.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Its a conspiracy that one of your tribesman did something to disagree with, ok

    Welp, lets ignore that bbc article and the exerts from it, its just not good for you

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t the BBC, lol.

    Try getting some sleep. That really helps with focus and concentration.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This one source (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wl2y66p9o) I have posted for the fourth time now is not a bbc… Sure

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s not the link I gave you. I gave you a link that included US government and independent studies.

    How is this relevant to the comment in which I gave you links that are not this?

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago

    Lets just do baby steps

    You call the killer being your tribesmen a conspiracy-> I refer to a source from an independent medium proving that the only info we have points to the killer being your tribesman-> You, for whom I had to copy paste that multiple times to acknowledge that, refer to your links which are about right wingers statistically doing more crimes which have nothing to do with the person we are talking about unlike my one source…

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Meanwhile, elsewhere on lemmy, you are apparently fairly recently starting HRT yourself, or considering it, and are concerned about a potential crackdown on transfolk in Hungary.

    https://lemmy.world/post/25665488

    From which side of the political spectrum do you think that would come from?

    The... left, apparently?

    Obvious troll is obvious.

    Either that, or you bounced off the idea of transitioning so hard that you became either a complete idiot, or basically a fascist.

    It can be difficult to tell the difference between those two.

    Not impossible I guess, but certainly does make you seem incredibly unstable.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yea I was told that being contradictory to your groups interest not only makes me a right winger but an American too somehow, lets add troll to that list

    The only evidence available to us points us to him being a leftist, regardless of how many folks get butthurt by that fact

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wl2y66p9o

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am only talking about you.

    How are you doing?

    Everything... okay? Hunky dory?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right, so I am a right winger, american, troll and crazy for being against your group’s rhetoric with facts… Sure-sies

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, you're not listening.

    I am not a group.

    I am a person.

    I am trying to talk to you, another person.

    Are you still transitioning?

    Did you ever start?

    Its very odd that a seemingly at least trans-interested person would be... so diametrically opposed to realizing that it is cultural traditionalists, economic right wingers... everywhere, very much tend to be the people that do hate crimes against trans people, that publically state that trans people more or less should not be allowed to exist or should be treated as outcast freaks.

    So, what happened?

    In February, you yourself were going to transition, were looking into it.

    Now, about half a year later, you are entirely aligned with basically the extreme opposite of that idea.

    Also, I never claimed you are American, you mention Hungary in that post of yours I linked... so I would assume if anything you are Hungarian.

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  • [+] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you are a rightwinger because you keep denying that rightwingers in the US are vastly more like to commit terroristic actions than any other political group.

    This is just a fact, been this way for decades, there have been many studies on this.

    Also I didn't even see you say Charlie Kirk is a left winger... uh... thats insane, as literally 48 hrs ago, a Nuremberg style fascist rally was held in the US, 'honoring' his death.

    He was widely beloved by right wingers in the US.

    You seem to be currently having a psychotic break to me... maybe just... log off the 'net and uh, try to do some deep breathing excercises.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    I am not disbelieving any studies; it is not relevant stat! By the same arm length why don’t you think that black people did this crime? They are more likely to according to statistics! It was very incoherent when that @lilysomething attempted to throw shade at with this, I am glad you are a person who actually read my reply in which I said so already…

    …we are talkimg about Tyler Robinson? I actually took a minute and not me nor anyone else mistakenly wrote Charlie… But I am the issue sure

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I haven't seen any hard evidence he was a full-on leftist, but I haven't seen any hard evidence he was maga either.

    From what I've seen, he was definitely left of his parents, but there's a whole lot of different ideologies to the left of maga.

    I think the only way we'll know for sure his ideology is if he says so.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    There's a thing called "Poe's Law" that states "without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views."

    So your "joke" relies on the idea that zero rightwing nutjobs will read it as encouragement. Which is just highly unlikely.

    It's very difficult to joke about extremism online because there'll almost always be extremists who take it as encouragement. To them, you're indistinguishable from any other MAGA supporter.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Its not a joke, on the information available to us I am led to believe that he was a leftist!

    What they have in the Us, in terms of political ideologies, cannot be considered leftism by an stretch of the word! Alas, I would have no insecurities if one of my tribesmen were to do something I disagree with

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    So you're on the other end of Poe's law, an extremist with an incoherent viewpoint.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its extremism to believe that a person on whom all information available points to him leaning to left being someone who leans to the left… I reckon I am an extremist

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "All information available" is apparently one BBC article that you keep posting over and over, while calling numerous articles and studies on the ideology of most domestic terrorists "made up," and the conclusions you draw from your one single source an "assumption." Gosh that's some irrefutable evidence you've got there chief. 🙄

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Maybe we should just lie and pretend he was so you people can have something to actually be afraid of.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    1 Not an American 2 Not a right winger

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Yup, saying all thoae facts that are against the interest of your political party makes me an American and right wing

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Of course not, that would be ridiculous. The right wing doesn't use facts, as you've nicely demonstrated.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Oh love can you bend backwards a little harder so that you finally break your spine and I finally won’t have to listen to you throwing a tantrum? I would really appreciate it!

    Quoting from a bbc article is not evidence anymore…

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not when the article is just citing what the police say without corroboration, no it isn't. But as we've already discussed, you aren't interested in the truth, and I'm just gonna keep laughing at you.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The bbc is now right wing fake news…

    • “Robinson's mother said her son had started to lean more to the left, Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray told a news conference on Tuesday, "becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights orientated"”

    +2 Proud republican behavior: “Public records reviewed by the BBC suggest Robinson had in the past registered as an unaffiliated, or nonpartisan, voter in Utah. His parents, Matthew Carl Robinson and Amber Denise Robinson, are registered Republicans, according to state records”

    +3 Common republican things “Authorities have said the unnamed roommate was a "biological male" who was transitioning from man to woman and was in a romantic relationship with the defendant.”

    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wl2y66p9o.amp

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To your point #3 just because there is a trans person, doesn't mean they are left wing. See caitlyn jenner

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Citation

    Leftists who dress as Trump for Hallowe'en:

    x--->0

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay to be fair, I have a realistic Doug Ford (corrupt Conservative Premier of Ontario) mask that I love adding to random halloween costumes. I hate the guy with a passion and am very much on the left but I still find it funny

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Do you guys dress up as people you look up for to an event where you supposedly scare people into giving you candy?

    • “Robinson's mother said her son had started to lean more to the left, Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray told a news conference on Tuesday, "becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights orientated"”

    +2 Proud republican behavior: “Public records reviewed by the BBC suggest Robinson had in the past registered as an unaffiliated, or nonpartisan, voter in Utah. His parents, Matthew Carl Robinson and Amber Denise Robinson, are registered Republicans, according to state records”

    +3 Common republican things “Authorities have said the unnamed roommate was a "biological male" who was transitioning from man to woman and was in a romantic relationship with the defendant.”

    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wl2y66p9o.amp

    Yea, your rights he was probably a republican! Well not because of the evidence but because it would kinda sound funny if another right wing monkey were shot by their voters

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ‘More to the left’ of MAGA is not ‘leftist’, ffs. That whole family is deep MAGA, so more to the left isn’t even necessary centrist. Libertarian, maybe, or still far right, but thinks LGBTQ people might be people.

    Are you even paying attention? Do you think trans people, women, and immigrants deserve rights? Answer honestly.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    These are the only information we have on which we can take a gander to his beliefs, which point to him being a leftist

    On what do you base that he is anything else?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    You said ‘leftist’, and you made claims about that based on what his grandmother said.

    I said coming from a MAGA family, ‘drifting left’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘leftist’. Compared to MAGA, ‘moving left’ can mean anything from libertarian to centrist. That’s not a claim, it’s calling you on your claim.

    We don’t yet know anything about him other than his family is MAGA and Mormon, so let’s not speculate what his beliefs are, eh?

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago

    Mother, now now someone is even struggling with reading exerts from a source…

    Coming from a background is almost as weak sauce as your statistics argument

    Aaaaaaah, so now we go from he is ‘right wing ‘to lets not speculate… If we go by facts researched provided by an actually neutral party, that of the british national news source, we can only assume that he was left leaning and by his action that he is an extremist! Just because he did something you actually don’t disagree with I reckon, but is disadvantageous for your group does not give you the right to decide his political beliefs

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