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[–] 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

JPG-XL crying in the corner.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    If Jpeg-XL was backwards compatible with older clients, it would probably take off. Like if the format embedded a standard jpeg image in the front readable by older clients, and then enhanced it with additional data at end of file readable by Jpeg-XL clients.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That'd just be overall worse, it'd never be smaller than a comparable JPEG image, and it wouldn't allow for any compression/quality benefits.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    You could compress the hell out of the traditional jpeg codec/layer part of the image. It’d be there for backwards compatibility. It only has to be readable by older clients and “acceptable” quality.

    See “49kb” example here — totally acceptable image quality for backwards compatibility.

    https://res.cloudinary.com/thewebmaster/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,q_auto,w_1250/images/blog/jpeg-images-definitive-guide/JPEG_Quality_vs_Size.png

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The posting of webps will continue until support improves.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is webps just webp with SSL ? 😏

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  • [–] 166 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    wdym "terrible quality loss"; for one their lossless beats PNG

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    This depends, if your image contains a lot of flat colours (like a screenshot of a website) then PNG can actually give you smaller file sizes than lossless webp. But for most images (especially ones with compression artefacts) lossless webp gives smaller sizes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    But that’s not got anything to do with quality. That’s compression size

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lossless encoding, by definition, won't have any quality loss.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Watch some startup "invent" a revolutionary lossless format that discards some information.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    But for most images (especially ones with compression artefacts) lossless webp gives smaller sizes.

    And if you already have compression artifacts, what use is lossless?
    Only time you would want it is when you are uploading comparison photos specifically showing compression artifacts created from some other compression result.
    That's a bit to niche to make it worthwhile.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And if you already have compression artifacts, what use is lossless?

    To further reduce file size without further reducing quality.

    There are probably billions of jpeg files out there in the world already encoded in lossy JPEG, with no corresponding higher quality version actually available (e.g., the camera that captures the image and immediately saves it as JPEG). We shouldn't simply accept that those file sizes are going to forever be stuck, and can think through codecs that further compress the file size losslessly from there.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wait, so lossless webp manages to be smaller than even lossy jpg, while also having to losslessly reproduce jpeg artifacts, which tends to otherwise greatly increase file sizes (as compared to the original lossless file) in lossless formats?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lossless is fine, lossy is worse than JPEG.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If someone chooses lossy they deserve whatever torture they receive.

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  • [–] 207 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    webp is a fine format, blame the websites that disallow webp upload, but then proceed to convert the image to webp anyway

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    > complains about lossy format
    > meme uses lossless image

    Am disappoint

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Webp has both a lossy and lossless mode so the first part of this meme is lost on me

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    I'm noticing that a lot of my memes are auto saved as webps, what can I convert these into so as to be most compatible and least likely to offend those that care about file formats?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    I mean, if we're being realistic, everything I use supports .webp now. Hell, every upload on my instance Blajåj becomes one (not Lemmy universal, as noted by SatyrSack)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hell, every upload on Lemmy becomes one

    That is something set by your instance admin. lemmy.sdf.org actually automatically converts uploaded WEBP files to PNG. It's just up to what the admin wants.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Jpg

    It's old, as in 1980's, so everything supports it

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    All I want is a picture of a god dang hot dog.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'd recommend webp

    Everything supports it and it can be lossy or lossless as needed.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    also if you only view them and don't care about editing them you can straight up rename the *.webp to *.jpg

    it'll still open as a jpg outside of your browser, but it apps that you'd use for image editing still won't want it

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Iirc that means it'll stay a webp, some program will just fail to open them and the once that can only do it because they recognize the file header and therefore disregard your file extension shenanigans.

    What I'm saying is if you do that it's funny but also completely useless.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    WebP has all the functionality of jpg, png, and gif while still being a smaller filesize. It has baseline support across browsers and devices. I'm no Google simp and work to de-google my family and workplace but this is a hill I will die on. Webp currently the best image file format.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Webp currently the best image file format.

    Out of the widely supported ones, it's quite good, yeah. Overall, I'd say JPEG XL is the better one. Ironically, only Safari supports it out of the box. Firefox requires a Nightly version with tweaking in about:config. Chrome used to have a feature flag, but has since removed it.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    it supports transparency and produces small file sizes compared to PNG while looking pretty similarly. fuck Microsoft in particular for not supporting it.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    For me it's HEIF. I love it because it's smaller and higher quality than JPEG, but literally nothing supports this format. It's annoying that I have to convert to JPEG or PNG to do anything with my images. Luckily HEVC seems to get more support on the video end of things.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    HEVC is proprietary.

    AV1 is what we need. And a lot of newer hardware finally supports it.

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  • [–] 145 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Webp is good and this meme is shit and played out

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    its interesting to me that this is only really an issue on proprietary OS's (mac/windows) as i've never had an issue with any image or video formats when using linux. i use all three but linux is my primary OS. mac/windows mostly stay at work.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I grew up on macOS, until a few years ago where I actually had my own personal computer for the first time, which had windows pre installed, so i used that and like it a lot more than macOS, i just felt so much more free, and the general workflow felt more intuitive to me, then, early this year, i switched to Linux and there’s no way in hell I’ll ever go back. In just a couple months I learned more about how computers worked than I did over something like 12 years of using computers as a teen. It’s really crazy to me how once you get something set up on Linux, it just works, and all of the documentation is open and detailed!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    While all of that is true, the thing is that most people just don't care. They just use two or three programs (poorly) and don't really care about the underlying system, never mind the computer. That's why windows is so entrenched.

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  • Windows is mostly so entrenched because Microsoft applied monopolistic practices in the 90's to ensure it was the most used operating system thereby cementing their place for decades to come.

    Then, they applied monopolistic practices in the cloud industry to ensure vendor lock-in at the OS level with their most popular services (like Office).

    You are right that most people just don't care though. I don't blame them, there is enough stress in the world.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    OS doesn't affect what web servers accept webp, which is 90% of the use case for most people. The vast majority of people use computers as a web browser only

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That's true, but its not always about the server, people tend to download images/memes/etc with the intent to edit/share. If you were on macos and happened to download a webp image in the 10 years that Apple didn't support them, you were in for some googling and/or frustration.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    DAT and DDC were great as well. Beta too. But sometimes good enough (like JPG and VHS) is good enough.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, let's stick with obsolete (JPEG) formats, so no one needs to improve their loaders (very hard), and people can continue to use that funny video editor that came with some old version of Windows without converters (very evil, Irfanview does not have the same meme potential as WinRAR).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    betacam was better than vhs, and was used in the broadcasting industry. It was better than vhs.

    Betamax, which is the one you're talking about, is not the same format, and actually equal to or slightly inferior to vhs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s not actually true. Technology connections made a few videos about it.

    Beta bs VHS: https://youtu.be/hWl9Wux7iVY

    The broadcasting Beta format was basically a whole different format compared to that you could get at home. Completely unrelated.

    Studio Beta https://youtu.be/hGVVAQVdEOs

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    hmm, I usually just change the .webp extension to .png, and most of the time, image viewers just open it without issue.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This doesn't change it to a png, but your image viewers recognize it as webp. You should just associate .wepb with your image viewer in the OS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Worse is when the image viewer uses a DLL that could read WebP, but the lazy devs wouldn't add it to the file association list. Heard at least one case of intentional sabotage, because WebP did not work on a social media site.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Yes, I would like to waste 500 KB over the wire for an image of indistinguishable quality

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