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the right trying to pin shootings on anyone but themselves isn't funny or silly, it's dangerous and deliberate (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/31943458

TranscriptScreenshot of a Tumblr post by sonicguillotine:

For the past few years any time there’s a public shooting, political or not, fascists immediately begin pushing a narrative that the shooter had some connection to the trans community, anarchist or communist politics, to migrant or Black communities. These are always tenuous claims but now with multiple racist lynchings following Kirk’s death, it’s time to recognize the danger of these kinds of mythmakings. They are calls to violence.

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[–] 24 points 1 year ago (16 children)

... but now with multiple racist lynchings following Kirk’s death, ...

Source?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There's this one in Mississippi but as stated in the article:

    a preliminary report released earlier this week by the Bolivar County Coroner's Office "indicates no evidence of foul play."

    Though I and others are skeptical of that initial report.

    I haven't heard of any other lynchings.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    There was a white guy who found hanging a few days ago... Also in Mississippi but something like 100 miles away. I think it might have been before Kirk was shot...

    Anyway, the conspiracy minded already lumped the two together without learning the details of either. As is now the custom.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    here are just two that i've found:
    Trey Reed
    Cory Zukatis

    as far as i know, there's no evidence that links those two murders to charlie kirk, but this is america we're talking about. two Black men, hanged, both in mississippi? that's not a coincidence. it's white terrorism.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I was aware of Trey Reed, not aware of Cory Zukatis.

    Reed's death is still being investigated, police statements are very confident that it was not "foul play." Yes, I want more confirmation than just police statements, but the investigation is ongoing, and I don't expect them to say anything more publicly any time soon.

    Zukatis was white.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    According to a report I read, the coroner also confirmed no evidence of assault.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I also know that the family intends to have their own independent autopsy done, and are arranging their own investigation.

    I’m fine with reserving judgement until some of that comes out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh absolutely, and we'll certainly hear about it if there is evidence of foul play. For the time being, the only reason to suspect foul play is that the kid is black and it was public. People commit suicide in public all the time, depression doesn't care about your skin color, and lynchings are generally meant to send a message (so I'd expect a much more gory killing in that case).

    I'm not saying they shouldn't investigate, I'm saying there's no reason yet to assume foul play. An investigation should be done regardless to find out why he killed himself (bullying? Depression?) so we can find ways to prevent it next time.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Apologies if my earlier reply sounded argumentative; I didn't mean it to be. I just meant it as "This is also going on and here's what I'm doing with the available information."

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Zukatis was white.

    you’re right, my bad. that wasn’t known when his death was reported, my sources are outdated and seem to assume he was Black.

    my point still 1000% stands for Trey Reed. american police is descended from slave patrols. anything they say about a Black person’s death is to be taken with extreme scrutiny.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's incredibly hypercritical to call out the right starting narratives before any evidence is released, while doing THE SAME EXACT THING!!! In your own damn post. I feel like I'm going crazy. This post gave me brain damage. I should expect this type of thing these days but good grief.

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It's totally funny and silly, because their dangerous and deliberate behavior has been on-going since day 1 and humor is a coping mechanism. Don't believe me? Ask the cancelled late night hosts.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's so disgusting. The GOP and ring-wingers have such a hard-on for a post-truth world. All their lies could come straight out of Orwell's 1984: They are the party of peace, Trump wants to punish pedophiles, Charlie Kirk practiced love, Ukraine started the war, their economic policies are good for the country, they believe in small-government... It just goes on and on. While those of us that care about actual truth are just rolling our eyes as hard as we can.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you’re part of the problem if all you do is roll your eyes. the lies of the fascists are killing people

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Look, I get your rage but people do not owe their lives to the cause of good to merely not be seen as a "problem". They just don't.

    What exactly would they have to do to no longer been seen as your enemy? And why exactly do you think they would decide to change their ways when you decide that is what they are for merely existing and not throwing themselves against the fascists to be gutted? They're just going to double down and say 'fuck you'. And they would be right to if I am completely honest.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This isn't even the "past few years". Knowledge Fight has been demonstrating Alex Jones' (as a mouthpiece of the far right militia sort) tendency to run cover as 'false flags' or whatever for decades.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    i cant yet find the word for it but it smells like a sort of well poisoning for headlines and search engine “optimization” - if a TON of agitprop gets out there, future searches/“research”/etc will “show” different and tailored results.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Kirk was pushing this exact lie when the whitest boy alive ventilated his aorta.

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    [+] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My biggest piece of advice to anyone on the left is get a gun and learn how to shoot. The right is coming for you and no amount of poems, songs, art, or education is going to prevent it. No one is standing up for you. No one is going to save you. The Democrat party has shown this. We have to stand for each other.

    If you do decide to get armed learn how to shoot, with like minded people.

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    • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Who thinks it’s funny or silly? This is straight up “freedom is slavery”, fascist propaganda orchestrated deliberately or through willful ignorance to demonize the left. Pushed by Russian and Chinese troll farms for further destabilize the US. There’s a reason Trump was left out of the Big Boy’s club meeting a few weeks ago.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    https://lemmy.world/post/35880897

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    [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    How do you know there were racists lynchings?

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    [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The shooter literally had a trans boyfriend and shot Charlie Kirk because he was "hateful" and a "fascist". The left trying to turn this around isn't funny, its dangerous.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He shot Kirk because he was not fascist enough.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hello! This is incorrect. Please check the latest news headlines or if that isn't enough, people found his social media.

    Unless you mean that Tyler Robinson was not fascist enough. Maybe if he was not obsessed with the idea of "anti fascism" to the point of being convinced to murder political opponents, he could have been a decent member of society instead of facing a firing squad.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The latest news I have seen are a couple days old but none of them ever stated that he killed him because of any trans rights or anything similar.

    I will also not be looking at any social media because I have stopped using those years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The right trying to spin that this is a problem with the left or trans people generally is dangerous. Shooters from the right murdered democratic politicians and made attempts on their own candidates and people. It's not the left. The entire damn country right, left and center is at a flash point because of the policies that are getting enacted by this government and the relief that isn't coming and they are using the rhetoric of a trans person, who was only tangentially involved, for calls to persecute all trans people as terrorists or imprison them in mental institutions. Laws are coming into effect so that a trans person posting a fully clothed picture of themselves online could be considered porn. They are creating a class of "non person" who cannot be seen or heard or walk free simply because they are exercising their freedom to exist as they choose to. Wear clothes that they want and find happiness in their own way.

    The Government is censoring media, calling for people's dismissal and vowing direct personal vengeance on private citizens who criticize this influencer. This is what a real collapse of freedom of speech looks like. If you have any claim to care about free speech some trans person with a violent roommate reacting on behalf of their misery in ways they likey didn't even ask for isn't your priority.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah. It's just as fucked up for the left to do it too and it's weird that people are blind to that fact. The kid is still alive, there's no reason to speculate about his politics when someone can literally just ask him.

    It doesn't really matter anyway unless he was part of some conspiracy and if that's the case why go after Kirk and not someone that actually matters?

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So we acknowledge they are already killing us through stochastic terrorism. When do we start fighting back? Its a matter of life and death and I'm in favor of self defense

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Like clockwork.

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    [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    and anyone who says otherwise is suppressed. ie jimmy kimmel

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