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Calling BS. Pics Or It Didn't Happen (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 176 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Transgender ideology? Did they write UWU on the bullet?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    How big was the bullet??

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I think it was a .308

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No it was “Notices bulges OWO what’s this?”. Other messages were: “Hey fascist! Catch!” Up arrow symbol, right arrow, three down arrow symbols (Helldivers 2 code for Eagle 500kg Bomb) and “If you read this, you are gay lmao” and “Oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao”.

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    • [–] 109 points 1 year ago*

    In related news, doctors were amazed they kept pulling books and scrolls from the body, placed there by the bullets.

    “It’s amazing” said the orange as quoted by the wsj, “apparently books like this can kill. I’m sure he could have survived the wound without the additional poisoning.”

    In response to this, reaction forces were posed to raid the libraries of all elementary schools within the washington dc area

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    [–] 107 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    seems like this wasnt even an accurate report

    https://bsky.app/profile/thelincoln.bsky.social/post/3lyl5ljm2h22m

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    but WSJ ran with it.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

    It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:

    Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4

    The WSJ is not going to have first hand access to the evidence, so they have to report (transparently!) what they're told by credible sources. In this case, it sounds like law enforcement

    supposed to be credible

    is not. It's a pretty tricky thing to report on.

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    • [–] 199 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Breaking News: the entire text of The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood was found to be engraved on bullet casings left at the scene, according to a source. So we should ban that book from all schools, fr fr.

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    • [–] 89 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not seeing other outlets report this. So yeah I'm skeptical.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution

    https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

    It sounds like a bulletin was indeed circulated, and it sounds like the WSJ is being pretty candid about the law enforcement response:

    Law-Enforcement Officials Sow Confusion on Manhunt for Kirk Shooter / Contradictory public statements risk undermining confidence in investigation, law enforcement veterans say

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooting-manhunt-e7f3eae4

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    So basically the federal agencies cannot be trusted here and have clearly shown their political partisanship and they got what they wanted in circulating their official false narrative to provoke political violence on the right against the lbgtq community and whatever the fuck they call the left.

    Because that's literally what they did, every right wing advocate for political violence has been clamoring about this non fucking stop and the government here has no shame about it.

    2A up people, it's going to get bad.

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    • [–] 80 points 1 year ago

    transgender and antifascist ideology

    transgender ... ideology

    [Squidward voice, but angrier] NO, PATRICK, TRANSGENDER IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY... PREGNANT IS NOT AN IDEOLOGY EITHER.

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    [–] 71 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    lol bet they also found The Communist Manifesto engraved on a nano scale on the bullet casing.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They found a etching on a wall of Hillary Clinton naked that the shooter did while waiting as well ... it was Banksy quality.

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    • [–] 140 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    "transgender ideology" is not a thing. That's the type of shit transphobes pull out of their ass when they're trying to attack trans folks

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think transgender ideology is "we're human".

    It's fucking wild that the Right can be opposed to human rights and anti-fascism and millions of people are somehow still gaslit in believing they're the good guys.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It's this exact point for me. "Antifascist" is being taken at face value and simultaneously being tarred as antisocial rhetoric. What the actual fuck has gone on? If the belief that "antifascist" is a cover or a dogwhistle, then shouldn't you attempt to separate their political orientation away from those words? "They aren't antifascist. They are political dissidents claiming all of their political enemies are 'fascists'."

    Instead, we have: "No, they ARE antifascists and they are our enemies!" Why did we let them stigmatize the word "antifascist"?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I can see something engraved like "uwu" be interpreted that way by MSM.

    EDIT: CALLED IT! "Notices bulges OwO"

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    • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Already proven a hoax

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What's the Source: ?

    I wanna share it with others who still believe it's true

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with “transgender and anti-fascist ideology” engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.

    This is statement from the WSJ

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    They're walking back a claim that was so stupid that it could only be made up by a conspiracy theory idiot.

    Yet they made it. Top notch US journalism here people

    Now they're somewhat walking it back but that doesn't matter, that walking back part will be ignored, the damage has been done

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    • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The backpedaling on the WSJ's lie has begun:

    On September 11, 2025, The Wall Street Journal issued a caution regarding its earlier report on an internal law-enforcement bulletin concerning the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk. The bulletin had mentioned ammunition found near the scene with "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" engravings, but the Justice Department indicated the report might not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition as the probe was in its early stages.

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    • [–] 145 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Yeah what the fuck. Just like Luigi's alleged engravings. It doesnt make any sense beyond an emotional response. Why take the time to engrave something no one will see? Its going faster than the speed of sound.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    Typically you would engrave the casing. That goes nowhere near the target.

    So yeah.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Kurt Cobain wants to know how to add a community comment

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)

    Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in).

    I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot.

    Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position).

    Still, this is a good shot.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message.

    In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The casing that the shooter took with them?

    Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired?

    This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn't even in the USA at this point.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered.

    I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable.
    Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that?

    The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.)

    [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay."
    CBS News

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    • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    Trans-antifascists is something I can support

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Homie wrote an entire manifesto on a 30-06 shell

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    • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Ideology: fascism is bad, transgender people should have equal rights.

    Not ideology: let's kill everybody that doesn't conform to our narrow minded idea of society.

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