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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 92 points 1 year ago (30 children) Typically you would engrave the casing. That goes nowhere near the target. So yeah. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) Kurt Cobain wants to know how to add a community comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bruh. Too soon, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) John Wilkes Booth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Hehehe. Noice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children) Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 year ago (16 children) So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (15 children) Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (13 children) "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in). I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago easier to track Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) The casing doesn't leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet). e: I'm now hearing 200 yards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message. In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children) The casing that the shooter took with them? Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired? This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn't even in the USA at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered. I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable. Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that? The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.) [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (3 children) Kurt Cobain wants to know how to add a community comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bruh. Too soon, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) John Wilkes Booth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Hehehe. Noice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Bruh. Too soon, man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) John Wilkes Booth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Hehehe. Noice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) John Wilkes Booth? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago Hehehe. Noice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children) Then to the same degree, why engrave the evidence to make it easier to track? It still doesnt make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 year ago (16 children) So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (15 children) Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (13 children) "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in). I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago easier to track Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) The casing doesn't leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet). e: I'm now hearing 200 yards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message. In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 year ago (16 children) So this line of reasoning is a trap. People do dumb ass shit all the time for emotional reasons, including criminals. In fact, people doing dumb ass shit is so reliable that police investigative procedures are almost designed around it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (15 children) Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (13 children) "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in). I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (15 children) Except our shooter here was clearly trained. Possibly a veteran. Or maybe it really was a false flag. They would know what engravings would do on the casings that get left behind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (13 children) "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in). I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (13 children) "Clearly trained". No, not really. Making a headshot at 200 yards with the benefit of a benchrest/tripod/sandbag is not difficult. I've hit that distance before with a 357 magnum revolver from benchrest (though the owner had that thing very well dialed in). I'm seeing plenty of people who obviously know nothing about guns say it's a hard shot. It's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ngdev@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago an average golfer could pretty much do that with a golf club and a golf ball lol 200 yards is not far permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (11 children) Sure, Jan. We used to hit womp rats no bigger than that back home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (10 children) Please stop, it hurts. 200 yards is not that hard with a rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children) We just watched 2 botched attempts at assassination recently. Its clearly not an easy thing to pull off on high profile targets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children) One of which was done by someone who was kicked off a shooting team for being a dangerously bad shot. Give me a modern 30 cal hunting rifle, a good scope, ammo, and a benchrest at a 200 yard range and a target. I could teach you to hit a head-sized target in an afternoon, including time to dial in the scope. Hardest skill to learn is calming your nerves when it's a real human head. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) And I'm telling you none of that good shot shit matters because the average person would not be able to remain calm for that. You need training. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) And I'm telling you it's hardly impossible. Edit: and it's very telling that you didn't consider that factor until I brought it up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (5 children) Olympics has a 62 yard rifle competition. Perfect score is theoretically over 450, though practically 600 cap is useful. Gold was 469 points, and 8th 400 points. Averaging under 9 points per shot, for 8th place, which is missing by more than an inch. Expanding to 200 yards, 8th best world athlete would miss on average by over 3 inches. (though only 1/3 of shots are taken in prone position). Still, this is a good shot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Olympics uses air guns. Totally different thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children) 50m is "real rifle" also optimized for accuracy (just hit target at minimum force) rather than max blood gushing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Ok, but 22lr, which still isn't comparable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Maybe we agree... it is easier to shoot a competition/air rifle than a lethality rifle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago Opposite. Air guns (and 22lr) have a lot more bullet drop and windage to worry about at a given range than any 30 cal rifle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago* A lot of people insisting the guy has to be a professional... He absolutely does not, he just has to be very practiced with a rifle. There are probably over a hundred thousand civilians in the US who can hit a target with a Mauser at 200 yards on the first try, it's literally a feature of some casual gun competitions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago I'm not saying this is the case, but it is very possible that if this person purchased the rifle legally, they believe that the purchase will be traceable back to them and that they will almost certainly be caught. So they could have acted with the mindset that they would be throwing away their own life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago easier to track Sounds like a feature, not a bug. What better way to stage a false flag operation? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) The casing doesn't leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet). e: I'm now hearing 200 yards. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) The casing doesn't leave the rifle until you pull the bolt back. Also, 100 yards (300 feet). e: I'm now hearing 200 yards. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago The cartridge casing exists to form a seal against the breach end of the barrel. It doesn’t go anywhere. It just expands slightly from the high pressure gases inside, preventing those gases from escaping out the back, propelling the bullet forward with as much pressure as possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago There is no tracking danger from engravings, other than establishing a message, and then seeing if future suspect might agree with the message. In this case, it's more likely that a fascist loving employee of fascism may want to project more ammunition for fascism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children) The casing that the shooter took with them? Why leave rifle full of them & not leave the one you fired? This was a CIA or Mossad hit & the shooter isn't even in the USA at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered. I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable. Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that? The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.) [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) The rifle is bolt action. The spent casing was still chambered. I do find it interesting that DOJ lawyers have been seeking the death penalty for Mangione, and linchpin of their case is that he inspired other shooters – something that until recently was openly laughable. Adding that the story of the supposed writing on the bullets is based on a memo that circulated at the FBI and it’s unknown if that memo was based on accurate information or just the figment of someone’s imagination to create a narrative that people will now just accept as fact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that? The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.) [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that? The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.) [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 1 year ago I’m not sure which part has been debunked. Do you have a link on that? The news is now widely reporting the bullet casings were inscribed with some ridiculously long messages. (For a bullet casing, anyway. It seems like a lot of words to me.) [Utah Governor, Brian] Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones. The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?" An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay." CBS News permalink fedilink source parent