Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.

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[–] 186 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Are there hollow point rifle rounds?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Well. That is news to me. Anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That’s: ~ 50¢ ~ CAD$0.69 ~ ¥73.61 ~ € 0.42

    … each.

    I didn’t realize until now that I didn’t actually know how much a bullet costs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Naw, looked more like a jacketed round.

    Is there anyone even left of substance at turning point?

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  • [+] 113 points 1 year ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago

    is this the mythical "good guy with a gun" that republicans promised?

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  • [–] 151 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other's lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    He was literally in the middle of defending his stance on why trans people are bad, and dodging questions on gun violence, when this happened. Bizarre.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Couldn't have happened to a nicer dude

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Forgot about Trump and Vance did you?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I was curious what the topic of his speech was but I didn't want to watch the video. What was he talking about?

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    An audience member asked how many trans people have carried out mass shootings over the past 10 years.

    Charlie says "Way too many".

    The audience member responds, only five.

    Then the audience member asks, "And do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last ten years?"

    “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked back.

    BANG

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Confronted with statistics that don't fit my narrative. Better pivot to the "black people are violent" defense.

    Literally the last thought in this racist piece of shits head. Glorious.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I certainly didn't watch anything so ghoulish, but the transcript in reporting was him midway through a Q&A section with someone challenging his stance on the recent trans school shooting, and making implications about him taking a hardline stance on that whilst taking no stance on others. His answer to "how many school shootings in the last 10 years have involved a trans person?" was "too many"... the most eye rollingly evasive answer possible.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I'm sure inside they're fucking scared, trying to guess how much they'll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.

    https://archive.is/3N4JR

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "America has lost one of its greatest champions," White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller wrote on X. "All of us must now dedicate ourselves to defeating the evil that stole Charlie from this world."

    Laura Loomer, a MAGA loyalist who has Trump's ear, called for "cracking down on the Left with the full force of the government. Every single Left wing group that funds violent protests needs to be shut down and prosecuted. No mercy."

    Elon Musk, the X platform’s billionaire owner, was even more blunt. “The Left is the party of murder,” he wrote.

    Jesus fucking Christ, these people are capable massive cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising as it's right out of the fascist playbook.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump and his cult created this environment. His hate mongering and baiting brought us here.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Was it his gay lover that killed him?

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we've just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

    But then, we keep discovering that they're right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they're not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.

    Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.

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  • [+] 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of "see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they've done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!" If it's a right wing idiot they'll just gloss over that and say "look how violent our cities our. There's criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Supposedly it was an older white dude, and the alt-right has been rumbling about him (apparently he’s not conservative enough) for a while now. So I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this is just another case of conservatives consuming each other.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I wonder if Tucker Carlson is sh!tting his pants right about now.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sad they will never identify the vaccine that caused this.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago*

    They say you should only speak good of the dead. He's dead. Good.

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  • [–] 159 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    It's honestly been a while since a breaking news story put a massive grin on my face

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn't Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.

    Seriously, I'm shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.

    Don't forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer..

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    If it wasn't this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.

    A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.

    If there's anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would've prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    If it wasn't this it was going to be something else.

    Trump isn't invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.

    At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.

    What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he's not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.

    A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues

    Again, what issue is solved? I don't understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.

    there was never going to be enough capitulation

    I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement.. But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him.

    The "Epstein thing" is never going to have reprecussions within Trump's natural lifespan. Those "50yr birthday cards" that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.

    What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a "deep fake" and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it's existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn't matter.

    he's not irreplaceable

    Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you're saying and I unfortunately don't think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It's how the state has kept "leftist" orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.

    There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.

    You need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.

    I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don't see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you're seeing here?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The "Epstein thing" is never going to have reprecussions

    It's hard to tell, but it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters, showing that it is possible, at least for some people, to snap out of the cult. Obviously some will always support him, no matter what.

    it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role.

    I don't think it will hurt them in any significant way, maybe even the opposite. Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure and it's not like he had much of an operational role. He was a propagandist and he will still be used to spread far right propaganda, even in his death.

    I understand that he was incredibly influencial, but that's mostly because he was a pioneer of the modern right who made the right wing cool to a younger audience, but his methods have since been adapted by many other right wing propagandists.

    Or can you explain why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right? Because I don't see it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters

    Has it? You added a lot of weasel words to that claim there. If so what evidence specifically disillusioned them? Again from my perspective I hear a lot of "this will surely be the end of him" and then that predicted "end" never comes. My understanding is that disconnect comes from an inaccurate belief that there is equality under law, equality in reporting, etc.

    Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure

    Probably, but if martyr figures were that powerful then wouldn't it be useful for 'the left' to also start martyring themselves? Martyrs can only ever do passive propoganda, Charlie was doing active propoganda and ultimately I don't think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.

    why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right

    • one less active propagandist
    • power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
    • chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
    • impulsive and poorly planned 'retaliations' causing further damage
    • reminding those 'in power' of their mortality
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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Has it?

    Yep.

    You added a lot of weasel words

    The point is that Trumps image can change, even for his core supporters.. I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use "weasel words" (aka estimates and guesses)..

    I hear a lot of "this will surely be the end of him"

    I doubt that there will ever be the "one thing" where everyone suddenly realises they have been duked.. Obviously that's not how it works..

    if martyr figures were that powerful

    Ever heard of George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner? Those people weren't even influencial to the left wing as a movement when they were alive (unlike Kirk), yet they still fueled one of the biggest movements in recent years.

    start martyring themselves?

    Some people do that, but in order to be powerful, they have to have been killed by the enemy you want to mobilize people against.. Which is why the right will do whatever they can to blame this on "the radical left", no matter what.

    I don't think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.

    I think you are incredibly wrong on this point.

    one less active propagandist

    Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists out there who do pretty much the same thing. Also, events like this have a tendency to inspire more propagandists and radicalize people.

    power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point

    Possible, but again, tp is not THAT important. They have turned a significant part of the youth and have a likeminded regime in power that continues to concolidate power. And they can an will use this event to consolidate more.

    chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric

    That's not gonna happen..

    impulsive and poorly planned 'retaliations' causing further damage

    Damage to whom? You don't know because the potential results are unpredictable.

    reminding those 'in power' of their mortality

    Like Trump's failed assassinations?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yep.

    By what metrics?

    I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use "weasel words" (aka estimates and guesses)

    If I had responded to your last question with this sort of "I have no clue, it's just a guess" you would have, rightfully, called bullshit.

    It might be naïvely optimistic of me but I refuse to believe that you have come to your beliefs purely based on 'vibes'. Help me see what you see because I don't see it.

    If I'm wrong and you have extremely confident beliefs based entirely on "estimates and guesses" that is a serious fucking problem means you are, by definition, divorced from reality.

    I doubt that there will ever be the "one thing"

    Other than the Epstein files? :P

    Seriously though, I wasn't asking for "one thing" I was asking for being specific and providing an example of something that does so that we can establish where the goalpost and what is/isn't effective.

    George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner?

    Yep and the problem has gotten worse since then. IE not an effective solution to the problem.

    Also 3 names from half a decade ago compared to the ~5500 deaths in the interim gives a "martyr success rate" of ~0.05%. I have a hard time believing Charlie will statistically be in the "successful martyr" group even if being a "influential" person is a 100x multiplier and even with such a pathetically low bar of "success"

    Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists

    It seems like you are falling for the same fallacy of there being "one singular influencer which will end it all".. Obviously that's not how it works..

    is not THAT important ___ continues to concolidate power.

    You do see how that leads to them being "THAT important"? In my opinion any roadblock to those efforts and that desired outcome is a good thing.

    Let's try a different approach. Can you expand on why you think this will make left-wing organizing less effective/more difficult/etc.?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Nope. You don't get schadenfreude when you are defending yourself from someone determined to kill you, your family, and everyone who isn't openly nazi.

    More "Whew, that nazi almost killed Indiana Jones before tripping and getting run over by a tank!" and Less "I'm glad you got hurt by the door you refuse to fix."

    Calibrate your enthusiasm.

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    I think that's Steven Crowder, Charlie Kirk also did the 'change my mind' thing, but be had a much smaller face.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is Crowder, but Kirk was under a "change my mind" banner when he said his last words.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bravo. Practice what you preach. It's about time these people started putting money where their mouth is, eh.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I'm completely apathetic to this news. I'm not going to celebrate his death. But I think there's a lesson hidden somewhere in here, we'll probably lots of lessons.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

    - Clarence Darrow

    there's a lesson hidden somewhere in here

    “People should be careful what they wish for.”

    Particularly, his own admission that the deaths of innocents should be perfectly acceptable for 2nd amendment rights to be upheld.

    Well, he sure set an example, now, didn’t he?

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  • It is like someone falling to their death doing one of those "Free climbing to the top of a smokestack and hanging by one hand." videos. You don't celebrate it but you also think "Well you sort of knew it would come to a bad ending eventually."

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  • [+] -24 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    That liberals are unhinged psychopath murderers who constantly roam around calling everyone a Nazi fascist racist bigot and further alienating themselves, to lose more elections as a result? That's definitely a lesson to be learned here. Keep on increasing that division and see where it gets you, this site will never take off because most normal people will read these threads and realize the mental derangement.

    https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

    Hundreds have already been fired for this rhetoric, and many more to come.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    The things these people are saying aren't even remotely as rude as the sort of things Charlie would say at an average event. Kirk suggested gay people be stoned to death. He said George Floyd had it coming. He blamed rape victims for dressing poorly. But those are all just words.

    So are you suggesting these people are murderers just because they are sharing some uncomfortable words? Curious.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    1000023198

    I guess we'll never get a live action prison school if he isn't around to be andre

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    These memes are the only legacy of his that I will miss. The magical feeling of not knowing if any given image has his face photoshopped or not has been a consistent joy for such a long time. All good things must come to an end.

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