Medicine discovery is one of the few fields with ai where the juice is worth the squeeze. Filtering through billions of different molecule geometries to compare them all to eachother is a task that ai does well and humans do extremely slowly
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This is the stuff ML was actually good at.
And the tech bros are making people swear off it entirely because of their scams...
Bad take.
Technology on the production line doesn't exempt them from quality control nor clinical trials. And as several others have noted, AI is already being used for drug discovery, and automation has long been the goal for repetitive menial tasks like pipetting.
Don't be an anti-vaxxer just because they don't use homegrown, organic needles.
Yes, thank you for saying this.
I also want to add that it gets more complex than that because it's something the general population isn't aware of.
During manufacturing, every batch also needs to be manually inspected in a lab via random sampling, and significant deviations sometimes result in the entire batch being discarded and made again from scratch. Or at least that's what should happen under proper regulatory supervision.
Unfortunately, the majority of manufacturers overseas are only regulated by the FDA (yes, really), which was running thin before the great rounds of layoffs. There have been multiple incidents where these inspections aren't done properly due to staff shortages and logistics, so patients end up with things like pieces of glass in their medication or even wrong dosages per bottle, and the manufacturer says fuck it, who's gonna look, and ships it instead of wasting money redoing the batch.
These are only two of the major scandals of the now-defunct company Ranbaxy Laboratories, where administrative oversight was often skirted in the name of profit.
So, while AI is directly involved in mixing, conditioning, and packaging, there are other significant issues with the proper oversight of these companies, which will no doubt continue to expand the use of AI to more sensitive areas, like quality control.
For anyone interested in the Ranbaxy scandal and its tragic and unsettling ending, I highly recommend the approachable and eye-opening book "A Bottle of Lies: The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom" (2019) by Catherine Eban.
Ai has been in drug discovery long before LLMs were a thing. It's revolutionized our ability to identify possible molecules and proteins that can save lives.
Downvoters: lookup alpha fold! It's really quite incredible.
I agree, and anyone who is interested may enjoy reading this awesome blog post from Mohammed AlQuraishi. It gets pretty deep into the architecture of how alphafold works, but is pretty good at giving a sense of scope of how impressive alphafold is, even for curious laypeople (if those laypeople are willing to skim over parts they don't understand)
Alphafold is super cool, but I see the same problem with the rhetoric around AI as I do with a lot of AI: an overconfidence around the capabilities of the model and a lack of understanding about what problems it's useful for. For example, Google published Alphafold's predicted structures for every protein in the human proteome, including proteins that we have no experimental structural data.
That's super cool and useful, but it wouldn't be accurate to say that Alphafold has solved the entire human proteome, as I often saw reported back when this was released. There's a huge amount of the human proteome that is referred to as "the dark proteome" because of how little we understand about those proteins, which means that Alphafold's predictions are way less reliable due to there not being much training data.
To give a general example, most of our high resolution, experimentally determined structures in the protein database (which alphafold was trained on) are structures solved using X-ray crystallography, which isn't great at resolving long, unstructured loop regions, or other highly flexible areas. That doesn't mean Alphafold or other computational tools (like RosettaFold) aren't useful at all in these areas, but it's necessary to critically consider the tools one uses in the context of what problem you're actually trying to solve.
One might think "okay, but the scientists who are working in this space surely know this stuff", but I have anecdotally seen a split in the community that feels analogous to what we see in AI discourse more generally: there seems to be a sharp divide between the pro- and anti- camps, where people who are in the "anti-" camp may not be necessarily opposed to alphafold and other machine learning tools, but are often completely oblivious to how they work and how they, as experimental scientists, can interact with them. This is exacerbated by the pro- side being pretty hard to parse as an outsider. I guess I'd describe myself as being the pro- camp, because I've tinkered with this stuff and understand enough about how it works under the hood that I am blown away by how cool it is. However, I often feel like I need to take the position of "machine learning buzzkill" to temper the excessive hype that I see coming from others within this pro- side of the debate. There's a nebulous sense of distrust towards these tools, and I understand why (especially when non-ML researchers are also increasingly sick of seeing AI shoved everywhere in their regular lives)
The root problem here isn't necessarily the machine learning though. Personally, I see this is a sort of separate subfield, and the communication difficulties that arise (such as overhype making it hard for outsiders to parse what's worth caring about) can be attributed to the "publish or perish" pressure that's prevalent across basically all fields of research.
Isn't the production of medicine a miniscule part of its cost? My understanding is that ads and profit are the two biggest costs
What you say is partly correct.
Most of the cost of a medicine is research, so when new patented medicines come to market, they are usually very expensive because they have to generate profits.
Then, when the patents expire, generic drugs become available, which are very cheap because they are cheap to produce.
"when patents expire", lol
https://time.com/6336840/patent-manipulation-insulin-prices/
Research isn't the really the expensive part. Or rather most of research is paid by governments. The expensive part is clinical trials. They are paid by the companies that later sell the drugs. Vast majority of clinical trials fails at various stages, but still has to be paid. So any drug that makes the cut has to pay for tens of other very promising compounds that turned out to be toxic, not effective in humans, or just not worth it (also including buying and shutting down competitors or discontinuing tests on drugs that might work, but would hurt company's other business).
That being said, there's something very wrong with drug prices in the US.
7 of the 10 largest pharma companies spent more on marketing than r&d during the height of the covid 19 pandemic. In aggregate, the 10 companies spent 37% more on marketing than r&d.
Yeah but they will use any excuse to raise prices, even if it doesn't make much sense. I guess that falls under profit seeking though
It's not like they're not testing the results. Production chemistry with chiral molecules is hard with a lot of trial, error, and magic. Never really know what variable is going to produce a better batch or screw something up.
Step 1: Put AI into production just to lower costs and increase efficiency
Step 2: People get angry about AI in the process
Step 3: Release a drug that doesn't have "AI" in the process and has a higher selling price, even though it's actually the same drug
Step 4: People buy it en masse
Step 5: Earn more money thanks to irrational hatred of AI
Step 6: You convince the Democrats that M4F only has AI drugs. But there are also private insurers
Step 7: People hire private insurance companies at higher prices and with misleading terms, just to get medications without "AIs."
Step 8: Pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and funeral homes make more money, while ordinary people become increasingly poorer.
why does the reply shown have absolutely nothing to do with the headline claim
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