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[–] 137 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Independent analysis by a trusted consumer advocacy group has found that several of Australia's most popular, and expensive, sunscreens are not providing the protection they claim to, kicking off a national scandal.

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago

    several of Australia's most popular, and expensive, sunscreens are not providing the protection they claim to

    That should be the title. Probably a bit shorter but way better than the clickbait original.

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    [–] 82 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "We are deeply sorry that one of our products has fallen short of the standards we pride ourselves on and that you have come to expect of us,"

    Yeah nah bro. These companies need to be sued into bankruptcy and the leadership imprisoned.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I fucking despise corporate speak.

    Do they think they are convincing anyone with that shit?

    Do they only speak that way in case of it appearing in court documents?

    Is that why it’s so nauseatingly neutral?

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    "We are deeply sorry that one of our products has fallen short of the standards we pride ourselves on and that you have come to expect of us,"

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  • Ultra Violette's Lean Screen SPF 50+ Mattifying Zinc Skinscreen, a facial product that Rach says she used exclusively, was the "most significant failure" identified. It returned a result of SPF 4, something that shocked Choice so much it commissioned a second test that produced a similar reading.

    Other products that did not meet their SPF claims included those from Neutrogena, Banana Boat, Bondi Sands and the Cancer Council - but they all rejected Choice's findings and said their own independent testing showed their sunscreens worked as advertised.

    An investigation by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation found that a single US-based laboratory had certified at least half of the products that had failed Choice's testing, and that this facility routinely recorded high test results.

    Everyone's skin responds differently to the product, she adds, and it's one that is almost always being stress-tested - by sweat, water, or makeup.

    It is very difficult to rate effectively for the same reasons. Historically, it has been done by spreading the sunscreen on 10 people at the same thickness, then timing how long it takes for their skin to start burning both with and without the product applied.

    While there are clear guidelines as to what you are looking for, Dr Wong says there is still a lot of variability. That is down to skin texture or tone, or even the colour of the walls, and "different labs get different results".

    But she says results are also quite easy to fake, pointing to a 2019 probe by US authorities into a sunscreen testing laboratory which resulted in the owner being jailed for fraud.

    Many sunscreen brands from all over the world use the same manufacturers and testing labs - and so this issue is unlikely to be isolated to Australia, she adds.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not the point of the post, but--dang, that headline assonance is amazing.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    SunSCreen SCandal ShoCKing auStralia - the world'S SKin Canc(S)er Capital

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Assonance is the repetition of identical or similar phonemes in words or syllables that occur close together, either in terms of their vowel phonemes (e.g., lean green meat) or their consonant phonemes (e.g., Kip keeps capes ). However, in American usage, assonance exclusively refers to this phenomenon when affecting vowels, whereas, when affecting consonants, it is generally called consonance.

    Huh, TIL that the US uses a different definition than the rest of the world. I'd been wondering if you and I just had vastly different vowel pronunciations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assonance

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Whoa. I'm American and I just discovered that I had been using that word...uh...wrong for my region but right for the rest of the world? I thought it was phonemes in general, and that the vowel thing was an archaic usage. Interesting.

    I knew it wasn't alliteration, since it isn't all the first syllable sound. But it's always fun to learn new stuff about the language I've been speaking for nearly forty years.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Seeing as these companies would try and dodge accountability for providing these useless products, perhaps we should be including a tax on sunscreen to help pay for the medical treatment costs this will incur on the health system as well as help fund more testing.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    This is a joke, suncream is so expensive, and it might not even work?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Sunscreen works, just not if you buy it from shady manufacturers that try to maximize their profits and care about nothing else.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In New Zealand we have much the same problem with the sun as Australia (thanks CFCs), and a company here does regular testing of sunscreens. Brands fail to live up to their ratings all the time, including big name brands.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Sure, but you just said the same thing as I did. Do you think you can trust brands? Or that any company actually cares for their customers, as long as they can get away with it? Or at all, if the fines are smaller than the profits they gain from exploitation?

    The solution is what you mentioned: independent testing (and systematic changes, but that is a whole other topic)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Ah, from this comment:

    Sunscreen works, just not if you buy it from shady manufacturers that try to maximize their profits and care about nothing else.

    I thought you were saying "don't buy knock off brands and you're safe. When actually you're saying everyone is cutting corners.

    Unfortunately the independent testing here happens infrequently (no more than once a year), and it's different brands failing each time.

    In general, the failing brands are testing as much lower than their stated SPF ratings. As a consumer, the best chance is probably to buy the highest rating you can find so even if it's lower than stated it's still pretty good.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    don't by knock off brands and you're safe

    That is exactly how I interpreted their comment. If they meant something else, some major clarification needs to happen that specifically enriches what their actual point is. Otherwise, how I interpreted it is likely how most everyone is comprehending their argument when reading it at face value.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Not mentioned is the active ingredients in your sunscreen, many being endocrine disruptors like oxybenzone.

    The ones that physically block with like titanium and aluminum compounds are best for not flooding your body and waters you swim in with hormone disrupting chemicals, especially damaging in coral reefs.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I just read the article from the German consumer organisation "Stiftung Warentest" about that, they write (translated with deepl):

    Some products say “without octocrylene”. What do we make of this?

    Octocrylene is an approved UV filter that became the subject of debate some time ago: initially, critics feared that it could interfere with the hormone system. The EU's Scientific Committee on Consumer Safety (SCCS) has reviewed the scientific studies. According to this, the maximum permitted concentration of octocrylene in cosmetics is still considered safe - it is 10 percent of the total product. It has not been exceeded by any sunscreen product in our tests since 2018.

    Scientists have shown that sunscreens with octocrylene can also contain benzophenone - as an impurity or, over time, as a cleavage product of octocrylene. Benzophenone is considered a probable carcinogen. The SCCS demands that suppliers should strictly control their sunscreens and keep the benzophenone content at trace levels.

    We test all products containing octocrylene for benzophenone and only found elevated levels once in 2025, in an already defective product. In our test tables, we indicate which products contain which UV filters. This allows consumers to decide for themselves whether they want to use a sunscreen containing octocrylene.

    Important: Always dispose of products containing octocrylene after the season. The benzophenone content can increase during storage.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There are a number of endocrine disruptors they use not just the one you mentioned,. Consumer Reports has looked at it. But it is also bad for tourist areas that have a lot of swimmers like coral reefs, all the sunscreen washes off and fucks up the animals.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This particular scandal, though, is that these companies are overstating the SPF rating on their sunscreens, and it looks like the mineral sunscreens are worse on that front.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Yeah I read the article, I was just adding the part about the endocrine disruptors cuz that's what I care about. It said an American company actually had guy go to jail for faking results at some point.

    The mineral sunscreens also do not rub in at least the ones I have gotten. So a lot of people won't want to use them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    "flooding your body" with tiny amounts of a chemical well below safety limits and for relatively short periods of time.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Idk about that companies that use toxic stuff always deny its toxic, then if forced to admit it's toxic say it is in amounts too small to affect you.

    I certainly would not take their word for it or people they pay to say so.

    It has real effects on coral reefs and other areas where people swim and have it wash off in. And there are a range of endocrine disruptors in lots of goods that do have real effects on people even if not quite noticeable. Amphibians are particularly sensitive to them and can wipe out populations in the low parts per billions.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Idk about that companies that use toxic stuff always deny its toxic

    And people claim stuff is toxic when it isn't. This is how you end up with an anti-vaxer in charge of health policies.

    If only there were some process we had that could help determine the truth without trusting individual sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is preposterous equating all of the toxic shit in everything we use with anti-vaxxers. You must really not know what the fuck is going on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Everything is toxic, in amounts that are enough to harm you. We tend to use everything in amounts lower than what typically harms you though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Things that are toxic are generally intrinsically harmful. Like arsenic, endocrine disruptors, like pesticides. Little amounts are bad for you and create harm. Like getting a few parts per billion of pfas is bad for you.

    Things that are not toxic will generally not harm you in low doses. Like water you can overdose on water, but it is not toxic.

    Your point here seems to be lacking unless I am missing it?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You stated "companies that use toxic stuff always deny its toxic, then if forced to admit it's toxic say it is in amounts too small to affect you"

    If someone died from drinking too much water, nestle would also be forced to admit that water is dangerous, but it's safe to consume in amounts too small to affect you.

    There's lots of stuff that is toxic but perfectly safe to consume in small doses. Tylenol, aspirin, etc. pretty much any medication, Numerous foods, etc.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    What are you talking about and what is your purported point here? You are denying toxic chemicals are toxic?

    Conflating things like Tylenol with things like pfas, endocrine disruptors, BPA, pesticides?

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I never trusted suntan lotion. Admittedly, I suspected the chemicals themselves of causing cancer. But the Japanese use umbrellas to block the sun, and I've started doing that too. It might seem not so manly to some, but those people can all die in a fiery sun for all I care.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How well do you swim holding an umbrella

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Slip slap slop seek slide.

    Just an umbrella won't protect you from UV rays, let alone if you spend a lot of time outdoors and the umbrella doesn't have a UPF. Even then, you'll have rays reflecting from surfaces. Do you wear long clothes? Do they have a UPF? And where do you live? (Rhetorical question, I don't need to know that of course)

    If you are worried about chemicals, try mineral sunscreens. Non nano. They look and perform like shit but this is literally just zinc oxide sitting on top of your skin, reflecting the rays back like a mirror. Nothing is penetrating your skin, nothing is turning photons into heat. Zinc oxide is a compound you can get in a baby cream and a lot of pharmaceutical creams and it is reducing inflammation.

    I like the umbrella, don't get me wrong, but depending on what exactly you do it might just be not enough. I'm worried it provides you with a false sense of security. Trust me, Japanese people don't rely on their umbrellas only.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought Israel held the title of skin cancer capital of the world. Either way, looks like God’s not a fan of settlers

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I recently saw comment that got a decent amount of downvotes pointing out that it’s possible sunscreen isn’t doing as much as advertised and the extra confidence spending time in the sun was probably a notable cause of skin cancer. I hope that person comes across this to get their dose of “told you so.”

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How's that related to the article? The article says there is suncreens with fake spf With a proper spf there is no problem

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right, but if the sunscreen industry isn’t properly regulated, and everyone believes their sunscreen is protecting them, that’s a lot less reliable then just avoiding sun or covering up with long sleeves and a hat.

    If all sunscreen was being properly tested for effectiveness, this would be more reliable and my point wouldn’t land, but it’s clear that’s not the case.

    Sunscreen also is hard to tell when it’s doing its job. It’s only slightly different-feeling when it starts wearing off and you can’t visually see what parts of it are covering you.

    Not saying sunscreen is bad, just harder to use correctly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Agreed.

    I simply wonder how people kept buying sunscreen that had an actual spf of 4. I'd get sunburned after 15 minutes. I can stay all day in the sun with a spf of 50 (reapplied after every 2h).

    Apparantly they were tested but noone tested the testers

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The actual investigation

    https://www.choice.com.au/health-and-body/beauty-and-personal-care/skin-care-and-cosmetics/review-and-compare/sunscreen

    Also fucking hell. Claiming 50+ but gets a 4

    After the Ultra Violette product returned an SPF of 4 when tested at the Sydney lab, we sent a different batch of this product to an accredited, specialised laboratory in Germany, the Normec Schrader Institute, for a validation test. The validation test returned an SPF of 5.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Interesting to see that companies which pass in the chemical filter category fail in the mineral filter part. For example, in the link you posted Neutrogena's chemical filter has measured SPF of 52 but their "SPF50+" zinc version is actually in the 20s

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Ultra Violette's Lean Screen SPF 50+ Mattifying Zinc Skinscreen, a facial product that Rach says she used exclusively, was the "most significant failure" identified. It returned a result of SPF 4, something that shocked Choice so much it commissioned a second test that produced a similar reading.

    Other products that did not meet their SPF claims included those from Neutrogena, Banana Boat, Bondi Sands and the Cancer Council - but they all rejected Choice's findings and said their own independent testing showed their sunscreens worked as advertised.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    A lot of the sunscreen companies using the same US based testing company strongly indicates it gave fraudulent results and that the companies knew this.

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  • 1 comment in c/health@lemmy.world view that post

    And people wonder why I still avoid the sun. I've had enough experiences getting sunburned within the hour of it being applied.

    "Is it healthy to be that pale?"

    "Yeah, as long as I take a vitamin D supplement and hide from the sun."

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