Daily reminder that
- Brave's CEO donates to homophobic organizations and
- Brave is connected to the BAT pay-to-surf scam
Don't use Brave.
Daily reminder that
Don't use Brave.
Worth noting about Startpage: they're part of System1, an American advertising/marketing company. Sytem1 claims that privacy is one of the biggest focuses though. Make of that what you will.
What kind of storage space does it take up, and how good are the results?
Not a search engine, but last week I learned of the European Open Websearch project, which builds a new free and open search index. It should already be ready to try out. Hopefully we will see some search engines implementing this soon.
stop promoting brave. oh my god it's 2025 how good is their propaganda... they were never cool.
I wish Kagi was not American. I was pretty happy with it until America became a thread
Me too. Kagi is the best of them all, including Google.
The only downside? It's an American company.
Another downside is that is costs $5 a month to useโฆ
I'm okay with forsaking one avocado toast a month for a search engine that actually works, but if I don't feel good about where my money goes then I'm signficantly less willing.
I like spending money on the things I use. The status of paying customer is an enviable position (minus the paying part).
How terrible that you have to pay for a product you use
No one wanting to pay for anything is what got us into this mess in the first place
I was thinking about the aspect of privacy. Not only do you need a user, you also have to give them your payment details.
And donโt get me started on their โ300 searches a monthโ-bullshit. If I pay for 300 searches, I want my 300 searches. Regardless of how long it takes me to use it.
I was thinking about the aspect of privacy. Not only do you need a user, you also have to give them your payment details.
Kagi has established Privacy Pass which perfectly meets the need of balancing paid search with privacy. If you have a better fix I'm sure they'd love to hear about it on their feedback forum.
And donโt get me started on their โ300 searches a monthโ-bullshit. If I pay for 300 searches, I want my 300 searches. Regardless of how long it takes me to use it.
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As a someone who averages >1000 searches/month, I burned through the 300/month tier pretty quickly. They're kind enough to credit you if you don't use their service in a given month, which is already uncommon in the subscription business model.
You can sign up to Kagi and pay anonymously, they state how to do it in their FAQ's.
For now Iโll stick with SearXNG, itโs among the first things I get up and running when I distro hop, but Iโm glad there are other non-US options to try.
I've been happy with DDG for so long. Uuugh.
Honestly I shopped around a lot and tried various services for 7 days each. In the end I came back to DDG because it's the most useful engine to me. It delivers results I look for and doesn't get in the way.
As a result I'm not quite satisfied, but it will have to do for now.
It's a marathon not a sprint. DDG is a big improvement, keep using it till you find something better that works for you
I really wish Kagi wasn't American. Kagi is such a good product, and I'd be willing to pay for it, but in no universe am I willing to pump more money into silicon valley.
They're basically all compromised in one way or another. ๐
Thanks. This I nice little guide, easy to suss and helps me figure my priorities.
I changed to Ecosia when I last saw this chart. It's working really well and is my main search engine across all my devices now.
But now I'm considering moving to Mojeek if that's better for privacy.
Ecosia is based in the EU and it's working together with Qwant to build an European index. But Ecosia's mission is planting trees, and in order to do that they need revenue, which comes from targeted advertising.
Ecosia is a better balance between experience and independence. Mojeek sadly will be a hit in terms of quality of results.
Very strange to put Kagi as โless privateโ when itโs the only non-self-hosted option that allows for completely private searches with their Privacy Pass tokens. You can access them with Tor, pay with crypto (not really that private though), and sign up with a fake email. https://kagi.com/privacy#anonymity
Bitcoin isnโt private at all. Itโs a very transparent cryptocurrency.
I didnโt say bitcoin and I called out not really private in my comment.
It isn't marked as less private. It is grayed out because it is not based in Europe. I personally use them as I find them the best option with what is out there.
The text at the bottom says โkagi doesnโt collect any identifying data, but does require an account, so it is considered less private than the alternativesโ.
I think that's Walnut's nod to the fact that PrivacyGuides still hasn't wrapped their head around the concept of paid search.
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that Kagi's Privacy Pass is any less private than any other search option on the market, but long ago PG defined private search as "not requiring an account" and are completely locked up on that concept.
Even though just about every VPN on the planet (and all of their recommended ones) require accounts, as do most of the other services they recommend. The world is just so used to "free" search (which just sells your data or your time) that they don't know what to do with a new business model.
With fingerprinting and even just IP tracking, I think the question is more whether they can be trusted to not track you (i.e. whether it makes business sense).
I really wish Qwant would add the ability for me to Seach "1 eur to usd" and just get the results.
Along with "tsla" and "23 *3" and just get results.
Is there something like Weebly from Europe?
Sadly I don't have that answer on the top of my head. Maybe ask in !PurchaseWithPurpose@lemmy.world to whether others might be able to help.
Anyone noticed google brought back forum seaching again? I left google search way back just because that feature went away.
Either way I can't stand the AI answers I can't turn off.
This is a bit like Trumps tariffs, we need to cut everything off but there is no real alternative services. According this infograph, Startpage should be politically correct choice..
where is duckduckgo on this chart?
How about just NOT supporting companies? Having an European company control what gets shown to you is not much of an improvement over having an American one do it...
There are decentralized search engines like SearXNG
The problem with that philosophy is that SearXNG is an aggregator, so if everyone moved to them... who would be paying for the engines that it aggregates?
I agree that no one should ever support a company. But rather establish a set of principles that you want the companies you use to follow, and show no loyalty if they break this.
It is actually the philosophy of !PurchaseWithPurpose@lemmy.world.
SearXNG is in the picture and it's one of the 3 recommended.
Yeah I just find the title very weird, to me it makes more sense to choose a search engine because it respects your privacy than to "support European companies"
I hadn't read the "Need help choosing?" part of the picture, so still oupsie on my part ๐ I wish it mentioned that it's decentralized... but considering it's aimed at people using Google, I guess that'd be like trying to convert people from twitter/reddit to mastodon/lemmy by geeking out about decentralization and ActivityPub. No one cares, aside from the people who are already using it ๐
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