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[–] 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I said exactly this about Bryan Johnson a little while back. Someone was trying to defend his weirdness by claiming he was just trying to help humanity, and I was like BS. He's trying to help himself. If he ever DOES find a way to significantly extend human life, you can bet your ass that it'll be patented and cost a fucking fortune. Only him and his billionaire cronies will be able to afford it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    they can afford the initial release. sure. but lets not pretend the world best and brightest wont attempt day and night to steal the information needed to make it public.

    the dam will break, eventually.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    For a more in depth illustration of this concept, see Altered Carbon.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I loved the first season of this show. Second season was rough.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    yeah thought the same, apparently the new actor flat out refused to try to act like the guy from season 1 which is a big reason why it fell off so hard imo

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I feel the same as you and darkdemize.

    The new actor is also... The Falcon, in the Marvel Universe...

    But anyway, the first season is quite good!

    Also the show is based off of... either one or multiple books... I should probably read 'em at some point.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    We're not going to live 200 years the rich and wealthy will. We're going to be short-lived slaves

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We're kinda already in that situation. The wealthy can afford medical treatments and life prolonging procedures, as well as healthier food and circumstances. They already live longer while we suffer and die.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can still just blow their heads off.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thats why I don't usually get excited when I hear about revolutions in reversing aging. You really think you're gonna get one of those treatments? Or will it be for Musk, Bezos, Putin, etc.?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I propose we find a better way to deal with horrible world leaders than waiting for them to die of old age.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They are not invulnerable to bullets or drone strikes

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    WTF happened to the linked picture? Looks pretty deep fried.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Dick Cheney is still alive. The future is now

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Remember, "humanity" hasn't had a significant increase. The only increases are for the ridiculously wealthy. For the rest of us, they keep us alive just until we can't work anymore.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    that's too pessimistic. I got a pacemaker and defibrillator implanted in my chest, I'm on the transplant list waiting for a new heart and I've taken like 10 normal heart meds and some that weren't even fully released. without that I would've been dead at 15

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    was all of that treatment available to the average citizen?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I'm so happy for you! Today you learn the world has gotten better! https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

    Just improved hygiene and treatments for babies have essentially doubled humanities life expectancy in the last century. But even restricting to older cohorts (ie, assuming you live to 70, how many more years?), life spans have grown. The vast majority of people are not wealthy, so these gains are very much seen by the poorer folks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It is not possible for a human to live 200 years. 150 would be more than about the absolute maximum. Your body has stem cells and they put forth cells for the body pre-programmed for cell death after a term where they're replaced by new stem cells.

    There are only so many copies in those stem cells to say nothing of the degradation of the DNA over time. For human history the maximum age has never changed, the average age has wildly fluctuated but they have had super old people going back into antiquity.

    No advances in medicine have changed either the degradation of DNA or the lack of stem cell copies in the body to live beyond the maximum age.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The maximum age hasn’t changed because its increase is irrelevant for the sake of trait propagation. In fact, fast breeding population with regular turnaround can deal with environmental fluctuations way better than a long living one.

    There’s nothing inherent to multicellular biology that prevents immortality. Every problem preventing us from living longer and healthier has been solved by evolution somewhere else. Often in a way that’s insultingly similar to how our bodies already work. Hell, good chunk of solutions is present in our genome never to be expressed!

    But then evolution is all about populations of borderline inadequate survivors. Turns out, being depressed, hurting, and cancerous in your fifties is just good enough.

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  • Exactly. We're programmed to die of old age, not because it's impossible for things to be otherwise, but because it was so darn advantageous. It speeds up iteration, allowing the genes to evolve at a faster rate. Evolving immortally would be an expense without much benefit, so it generally wouldn't happen naturally.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yes we could evolve to live longer, but as you point out we are not, and science is no where near rewriting the code to fix that in designer babies let alone already old rich pricks.

    Naturally it would take a long time and it is hard to see how we would evolve there, but parrots, some turtles, tortoises, sharks, sturgeon, and idk what else have done it.

    Greenland sharks live over 500 years I think I saw on a post on the big site.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know where you're reading that humans are going to live 200 years, but...no they're not.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    But also: good leaders would live longer.

    Evil ones are always stressed something will come topple them. You cannot be a dictator without living in fear yourself.

    Fear creates hatred, and hatred greed.

    The only cure to an evil leader is being shot.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Good leaders usually step down on their own anyway so a longer lifespan won’t change much

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Something about prefering a decent retirement instead of being power hungry until the last second i guess. Then again, we have dudes like Bernie Sanders out there speaking up and fighting well past what he would need to retire comfortably.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    When we deal with fascists, all rules must be broken.

    Safeguard socioeconomic safety, harass them, intimidate them, silence them, every single one, til the last one is gone, and no new ones rise up. Only then may we be truly liberated and go back to normal levels of combatting fascism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    If anything, I might expect that if life expectancy increased enough, that in itself might create some pause for authoritarian leaders. Consider that it is rather rare for the dictator type to peacefully retire, they usually either die of some age/disease related cause, or they get overthrown in some way (rebellions, coups etc.) Its probably not possible to entirely eliminate the risk that such a thing will happen, so long as you actually require people to do things somewhere in your system. As such, there should be a theoretical amount of time before which it becomes statistically likely that a leader will be overthrown, and when overthrown, theres a high risk of death, or at least a lot of unpleasantness (imprisonment, exile with loss of quality of life).

    What happens if you manage to extend lifespans enough that the average lifespan, especially for someone with excellent health monitoring like a world leader, significantly exceeds the span of time in which it can be expected an overthrow will occur? At that point, anyone that becomes a dictator is essentially signing up for a violent end and a life shorter than it could be if they didnt earn the ire of a country's population (one that either will have more time to build up resentments if they have access to the tech too, or who will each feel personally doomed to an early death and therefore resentful if they dont).

    I dont expect that this kind of thinking would mean no more authoritarians, I suspect greed for power is a bit too strong an impulse for them all to limit themselves in their own long term interest, but it might prevent some of them, and it isnt like not having longer lifespans prevents a new generation of evil world leaders from simply taking the place of the old.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The probability really says no here - while it is possible for biological organisms to persist, it's something else entirely to rewrite the biology of an already grown organism.

    You're essentially balancing spinning plates while the universe pelts you with gravel. You'll live with one or two plates gone, but eventually something critical fails.

    To reliably live beyond 70, we'd already need to cure dementia (we're still not sure what many types are) and cancer (unlikely for a while yet); that's not even getting into solving the problem of restoring lost function (which we're really bad at).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Xi and Putin were just bonding over of how to live to 150 in Bejing. They could live up to 90 in the best scenario, see Monaco.

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