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[–] 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Imagine 20+ months of this without bomb shelters with minimum to no food and with constant shelling and moving. Israel has made bombings and terrorism become normal for people in yemen, lebanon, syria and Iraq. Israel has made the lives of millions unsafe in the middleeast.

Germany, UK you created Israel government and the US enabled its colonization and genocide since day 1. Europe should take them back or stop them.

In 2025, the humans of the world nations still compete in every scientific advancement known to mankind, and mine every precious and rare material source, and employ every advancement and investment in programming, AI, engineering and design on the planet for intimidation and colonization launching metals into each other bodies, polluting and destroying the planet climate and resources, spreading pain and murder to each other for selfish gain. Now those maniacs are threatening with nuclear missiles. People who do everything in their power and utilize everything in the possession to bring humanity and the world down.

All because they want few Zionists to rule in aparthied and colonization and not give democracy to whom they see as inferior races of other humans instead of working and lifting each other. The world nations should stop this instead of heading toward WWIII as if humans cant learn history.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The world nations should stop this instead of heading toward WWIII as if humans cant learn history.

    That's the most telling thing furute generations will look back upon this politicians that enabled such violence just to make some extra buck or a favor? Q

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  • [+] 22 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [–] [S] 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The slower ones frequently get intercepted, but every time I see one land it is those hypersonic fast ones.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I doubt Iran has any real hypersonic missiles, these are probably just balistic missiles.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You can definitely see a difference in speed between the missiles. Occasionally a slower missile lands as well.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think the difference in speed in the video is just perspective + distance, plust Iran has many different types of balistic missiles. I mean, technically speaking many balistic missiles do go at hypersonic speeds, but that's not what people mean when they say hypersonic missile, they refer to missiles that fly very low at hypersonic speed and can maneuver before hitting their target. You can clearly see the balistic trajectory of these missiles.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm no expert, but usually when missiles "go ballistic" their engines turn off and they have limited maneuvering capability at the end of their flight.

    This one looks like it had engines on all the way to the target, which is a fairly newer class of design.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don't know if anyone has any real information but I'd think Iran would be shooting air bases and such. Targets that hurt Israel's ability to hurt Iran. Israel's command probably cares less about a residential building (full of people or empty) than a hangar with F35s.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Iran has spent decades building an arsenal of cheap drones that aren't really designed to hit targets, they are designed to financially cripple Israel by expending expensive iron dome charges.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    From I've seen they certainly used that initially with mostly older, cheaper, and slower drones in the initial waves intentionally to bleed out the iron dome but have been changing their strategy as the "Iron Dome" is weakened and/or gaps are discovered.

    With each wave they adjust their strategy. Interspersing more Hypersonics and layering the drones in different patterns/locations to more readily distract/avoid the iron dome.

    From estimated ratios of 9 impacts out of/150 launched in the first few waves vs 9/50 in the more recent waves.

    Though obviously Israel hides the damage/strikes through media blackouts on military sites so we can't know for sure how accurate these estimates are and we mainly only get reporting on impacts in Tel-Aviv or other militarized "civilian" zones.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Oh for sure, I'm just saying they don't even need to hit any targets and they'd still be winning long term. They are capable of much more, and Israel can't fight Iran without US.

    Satanyahu is betting on forcing Trump to agree to war with Iran on his watch. Avoiding that is thankfully one of Trump's main priorities, hopefully they don't succeed in changing his calculus on it.

    And they aren't able to and won't be able to maintain media blackout much longer, Iran has stated that they will keep going and will go harder, and we've already seen some seriously damaged neighborhoods. As long as Iran keeps it reasonable (and what is reasonable has changed tremendously in the last two years of genocide and western media going hard to defend and justify Israeli war crimes), I think Trump can tolerate way more destruction of Tel Aviv than netanyahu thought he would.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Iran are definitely targeting air bases and other militarized targets which are regions Israel has a media blackout on so we don't hear about them as much and only hear about impacts in Tel-Aviv which is a militarized "civilian" zone (human shields was always projection of their own policies).

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Those ballistic missiles really haul ass

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is this the strike from Friday or a new one?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago

    According to the people who posted it, it is from today. It is certainly not the same barrage as we saw Friday, but it could be another barrage which was on Friday. Nothing is entirely certain right now, but I think it is from today.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (39 children)

    I’d have ever so much more sympathy if they hadn’t just spent over a year genociding Palestine…

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Idk, I think we should have sympathy for people being kill because of war at all times.

    I don't know who lived in the place that was bombed there, but unless I have reason to believe that that person is somehow responsible for the genocide, why would I hate them?

    Israel is obviously filled with genocidal people, and those who support genocide are not going to get my sympathy, but there are those who are actively fighting it even. So I do feel sympathy for innocent people dying because of genocidal governments and their need to bomb every living thing around them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    wasn't it about 82% of Israelis that supported the forced expulsion of Palestinians? I'm all for having sympathy for the innocent, just doesn't seem like there are that many innocents there.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's like feeling bad when Berlin was bombed.

    Like yeah there are of course some innocents there, but the majority are involved in either the war machine or the genocide.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    It’s wild hearing Americans who went on a 20 year genocidal way because they were attacked at home, cheering on others being attacked at home. Your government fucked by country and people, do I get to blow up your family and be cheered?

    Edit: never has my indigenous, brown ass received so many DMs with hate, bigotry, and rants about genocide and colonialism from white kids than this year. Without a hint of irony, American hypocrites are trying to lead a movement against war, genocide, racism and colonialism. While you profit from and continue your own atrocities Americans need to get in the back of the line, they are toxic to the movement

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, both the United States and Israel were attacked because of Israel.

    Israel deserves the blame because Israel is the problem.

    If they don't like it, they can always leave. That would make the world a better place.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Americans are blood thirsty war hawks. You guys LOVE the idea of bombing someone you don’t like. Even the American left is like this now. So long as it’s not your country being bombed and getting their just desserts for al their genocide, you love war. But anyone attacks you guys for your centuries of atrocities and suddenly it’s WAR WAR WAR

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I didn't go on shit and I don't support US imperialist actions.

    1. We were attacked at home because of previous imperialist actions, and we would have continued said imperialism whether attacked or not, that was a convenient excuse.

    2. I would understand people cheering and I would direct my anger to the people who caused the retaliation to happen, my own government.

    why are you defending America destroying your country and Israel doing the same/trying to do the same to other countries though? This make no sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I agree with all of it i just think you Americans need to get out of the way and stop trying to lead the charge, because you guys are toxic and taint the movement with your hypocrisy and extremist attitudes.

    You al benefit from your country’s imperialism but you all dodge responsibility and say it wasnt you

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I'm willing to be one counterexample in the sea. I am absolutely benefiting from both past American imperialism and the current sales of arms that keeps allowing more atrocities. I used to feel guilt about it, but that didn't solve anything; neither did staying silent. If all the other loud, noisy, opinionated people in my country can't keep their mouths shut, I view it as a minor responsibility to at least make them use critical thinking (if possible). I'm saving your comment to show people irl. Hope you stay safe.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (23 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    We support Hamas, and we support its brave fight against the colonialism, we feel bad about them because we support the colonized against the colonizer, now gtfo

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    I fully support a million oct.7

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    For an instance nominally based on worker solidarity and elevating the proletariat, everyone sure is pretty quick to throw that out the window for tribalism and nationalism

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    There's no such thing as a settler proletariat or worker, 50% of work as IDF the other 50% work as police

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Here's a fun fact, did you know that 65 other countries also have mandatory military service, including Iran? Being a class traitor by the law of the state doesn't make you not proletariat.

    Abandoning massive chunks of workers based only on their place of birth or the bubble of propoganda they live in is the opposite of every reputable leftist ideology. If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you're a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Yeah, mandatory military service, not mandatory baby killer service, No such thing as a settler comrade or a settler proletariat, a motherfucker who goes into Palestinian homes kills or kicks out the occupants and takes it as his deserves to get crushed by an airstrike.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Total population of Israel: 9.2 million Total IDF personnel (including reservists): 500k Total settler population: 700k Total Isreal police force: <30k

    But sure, let's glass them all. Especially the 86% that have no active involvement with what's going on. You sound like a goddamn fool.

    Edit: let me cut off the horseshit collective punishment argument before you make it: you're still cheering for your own class to be slaughtered

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd be fine if the apartheid government willingly dissolved and created a new system where the genocide of Palestinian people wasn't the goal. A government that didn't attack it's neighbors on a whim.

    This could be bloodless, but unfortunately the state will not allow that

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nobody expects the state to relinquish power without violence, but that doesn't mean it's OK to cheer clips of massive explosions within lethal range of civilian houses.

    I have yet to see anyone share hard evidence that these are targeted at military areas, let alone actually hitting them. Just a bunch of equivocation about military reserves and public opinion polls. Isreal rightfully caught shit for their pager attack being too indiscriminate but an explosion clearing half a city block isn't?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think you're forgetting differences in military capabilities.

    Israel can be more selective in it's targets in Gaza, but they deliberately chose hospitals. Iran, the nation defending itself, has to send large missile barrages to try and break through the iron dome defense. Those will be less precise

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I don't see how that makes a difference? Israel bombing civilians with precision doesn't make imprecise bombing of civilians more acceptable. Everyone ends up just as dead. It just makes it more palatable for people who value retribution above civilian lives.

    To put it another way: if you want to hit a military target but can't do so without outsized collateral damage, you don't have ethical grounds to make the attack. You don't see people defending the USA's use of Agent Orange in Vietnam just because it was the only feasible way to clear foliage.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    So what Iran is just supposed to let Israel continue unprovoked attacks? Yeah that's a fucking stupid take.

    Also the US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that's a bad example all around

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    When did I say that? All I want is for all belligerents to be held to the same standard. Show me the evidence that these missiles are falling on targets with strategic importance; show me that they're making efforts to not waste human lives. It's clear that Israel's attacks are not and they're rightly called out for it. Why is Iran above the same scrutiny?

    US was the invader during the Vietnam War so that's a bad example all around

    Why is it a bad example? Does being the defender in a war make you immune to war crimes? It's indiscriminate killing of non combatants either way.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Here’s a fun fact, most Israelis—bourgeois and proletariat—approve of what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza.

    These are fascists. If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

    If your empathy for the people crushed under the rubble of an apartment complex depends on the flag out front then just admit you’re a frothing nationalist and stop pretending.

    Palestinians don’t have a nation. They’ve been under occupation by European settler-colonists for about 80 years.

    Palestinians have the right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while the State of Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”

    As for Iran, it is an anti-imperialist state retaliating against an unprovoked attack by an imperialist state, which it has the right to do by UN law. Marxist-Leninists give Iran our critical support[^1] in the struggle against imperialist states, not to mention the struggle against genocide.

    [^1]: Critical support is supporting something while also being critical of its flaws.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Holy fuck you don't even know what a nation is lmfao

    If there’s anything to be learned from WWII, it’s that no one is more antifascist than communists.

    If you knew anything about WW2, you'd know that strategic bombing of population centers was a futile effort that wasted lives. Allies and Axis both admitted it, and the Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

    I've been asking up and down this thread for any context on what these bombs hit, any evidence at all, and all I get is equivocation like yours.

    Your "critical support" isn't very critical at all, it's pretty one dimensional. Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good. I've seen no depth beyond that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Holy fuck you don’t even know what a nation is lmfao

    I do, actually, but since you were the one talking about nations’ flags, I assumed that you didn’t know the difference between a nation and a state. Israeli Zionists clearly do know the difference, and they want an ethnically-cleaned, “Greater Israel” nation-state. Because they’re settler-colonialists; they’re fascists.

    Allies even stuck to day bombing to limit collateral damage.

    No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities. The US also dropped two atomic bombs on city centers with no warning at all.

    Isreal bombs a population center: bad. Iran bombs an Isreal population center: good.

    Obviously neither one is “good.” You’re putting words in my mouth.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    You're just wildly incorrect on all fronts here.

    since you were the one talking about nations’ flags

    A nation is not a nation state, and a population doesn't have to be a sovereign state to have a flag.

    No, they did it in order to hit their targets, which were often cities.

    Exactly, to limit collateral damage. Germany (and the RAF's night bombing, to be fair) also targeted cities with strategic war industries, they just cared more about their pilots' safety than civilian lives.

    You’re putting words in my mouth.

    I'm not at all, I'm pointing out the lack of criticism for clips like the one above. There's not even reserved judgment until we know what got hit and who died, just full throated support based only on the name of the city being bombed. I'm the only one here wanting evidence that these attacks are targeting anything of value and limiting non combatant deaths.

    Remember when Israel was criticized for half-hearted pamphlet dropping to warn of barrages? All the scorn at Israel's reports of the use of human shields? The outrage over bombing population centers and refugee camps allegedly hiding rockets? Zionists saying Palestinians deserved bombing because they elected Hamas and had parties celebrating Oct 7 and X% of Palestines supported Y?

    I'm seeing the exact same comments in reverse. Just read the comments on this post. But this time nobody bats an eye because the "right" people are dying.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are you serious right now? Communism isn’t based on solidarity with settler-colonists who are genociding the people they locked into the Gaza prison-ghetto for a generation, for the crime of being indigenous. October 7th was a prison break, a Warsaw ghetto uprising.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    These aren't people being tried for their crimes, not even people being picked out and put in front of a firing squad. This is an explosion in a city. You have no clue who might have been in that area any more than I do.

    How many residents have fired a weapon against a Palestinian? 30% if you're being generous? That's about the same as the population of children.

    You're OK with those odds? Or does your form of communism always cheer at indiscriminate death so long as some of the right people get caught in it? If X% of the population drinks the apartheid propoganda kool-aid it's open season? What's your number?

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Insert "this one sparks joy" meme?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Perhaps you have missed the part where Israeli citizens have been openly saying that we need to wipe Iran, Palestine and multiple other countries off from the world map.
    They want genocide; they will get some retaliation from who they are attacking. FAFO

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Perhaps you have missed the part where Israeli citizens have been openly saying that we need to wipe Iran, Palestine and multiple other countries off from the world map.

    Not like Iranian and Palestinian people haven't said anything similar. This issue is not black and white. There's a hundred of different shades of piss and shit. Everyone is right from their standpoint and everyone is wrong from other's standpoint.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Yes they do.

    If they don't want to live with the consequence of being in one of the most contested places on earth, they can always leave.

    It's way easier for Israelis to relocate because of how much money they have. They just choose not to and deserve all of the consequences that go along with that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    This is fucked up. Israeli citizens do not have to die because of what the government did.

    If Israel is allowed and being enabled to raze Palestine, then nobody should take issue with Iran defending itself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    The majority of these citizens support the genocide.

    Do they deserve to die? Of course not. But do I feel bad about them getting a little taste of karma? Of course not.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Comment sections have been absolutely fucked since this started. I've seen some reports that these are hitting military targets but apparently I should be cheering about rockets landing a few dozen meters from this apartment?

    I remember a video of an Israeli rocket hitting just outside a shop window in Yemen/Iran at a similar distance and people were balking that it could be hitting anything of strategic importance. Suddenly pictures of collapsed apartments and hospitals are fine because it's the guys you don't like?

    Apparently it's a bad take for me to think civilians shouldn't be bombed regardless of how much Zionist brainwashing they have. People talking about "they deserve it" and pointing to Isreal opinion polls showing 60% support X awful thing. Last time I checked, a rocket doesn't take a survey before it explodes. So 4/10 people in that explosion deserve to die by association?

    You all make me sick, down vote away.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Welcome to war, where human rights are optional and at the discretion of a select few. People will cheer for death like it's a gladitorial arena, while others act to mitigate as much suffering as possible. Still others will turn away in disgust and become recluse. No answer is correct; at least until the victor writes the history.

    My only (personal) recouse is to focus on my impact at a community level, and hope that I get enough power, money, or influence to eventually do more.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Israel used that apartment building to hide an F-35 which they used to bomb an Iranian hospital. There is undeniable evidence.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Where is that evidence? I'm not denying it, I'm asking for it and nobody provides it.

    Edit: from what I can tell that F35 rumor started in 2024 as a meme mocking Israel's claims of apartments hiding Hezbollah weapons. Why would you stack up $100m planes in a place extremely hard to scramble them and perform maintenance?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Iran hasn't hit a single hospital and the settlers have bunkers

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    By all means, I'll take evidence that they've been hitting military targets. My issue is with people cheering videos like this lacking any of that evidence at all.

    And no, having a bunker doesn't make a civilian population fair game. It's the same thing as crowding people into internment camps while you level their neighborhood.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Are you new to Lemmy? Didn't you know murdering innocents is okay as long as it's 'the bad guys'?

    The amount of people here who salivate at the chance of inflicting violence at people they don't like is insane.

    But it's okay because they're 'the good guys'.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Hate to say it but, good. Isreal is finally getting a tadte of their own medicine. bullies getting bombed, sounds like a punk song

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why don't they target the heads of state and leave normal people alone? Joe Sixpack's family is only going to be enraged by his death.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    As far as I know, a large majority of Israelis support the whole liebensraum thing, and fucking up Iran (whose government are also a bunch of murderous shitbags, btw). We don't really know how many "Joe six-pack" iranians support this confrontation. Often, even people who are against a government will support warring against a perceived enemy, which is why so many leaders, when in trouble at home, start wars. See Putin, Bush, Netanyahu, maybe Trump next, and a looong list.

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