The more truthy headline "Masses Can No Longer Afford An Evening Out Due To Unreasonable Economy".
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Oh no, the box office!
Keep making actually good movies, Gunn.,everyone. History will thank you for not catering to transient values of capitalism.
Money really just kills creativity because it disincentives risk taking.
Kinda the opposite. No longer able to fall back on DVD sales, Hollywood has become more conservative in what they'll invest in. Matt Damon explains.
But big money killed dvd sales. They wanted more control and a bigger piece of the theater revenue.
Don't know the history, but I quit buying DVDs when The Pirate Bay took off.
Did you watch the video? Hollywood was making bank on DVD sales even if the theater turnout wasn't great. Why would they kill a cash cow?
Yea I watched it. He said some key words that he either doesn’t realize or is purposefully ignoring. “6 months later” and “the 90s”. Studios no longer let the movies in theater breathe or create a sense of FOMO because audiences know it will be available in a very short amount of time for probably cheaper or on a service they already use. Additionally, the 90s were a time of massive prosperity and peace. The movie-seeing public desired those kinds of movies. He’s also not stating that those movies still get made but not at the high budgets of $100m. The streaming services can make that movie for $50m or less and not have to spend that amount of marketing and get a higher cut of the profits.
There are multiple decisions that Hollywood made that has shot them in the foot for short term profits.
They wanted more and didn’t realize the domino effect of pulling movies from theaters early to put it on their platforms. Now there’s less ticket sales and the revenue from their own streaming services isn’t as easy to come by as they assumed. Economy of scale isn’t easy to create and especially at odds with creating your own service just for your niche of movies. I’ll lay some blame on the cinemas themselves for upcharging/upscaling food but that was also because the studios demanded a higher cut of ticket sales.
The in store rental service dried up because of cheap streaming online but also because blockbuster themselves got too greedy. Blu rays are region locked precisely to bilk more money from the disc crowd. There’s no successor to dvd ownership either because online ownership isn’t even real ownership. Hollywood wanted to kill sharing and reselling so they only give out licenses for those purchases. The same crowd that bought DVDs now have their own kids and there was nothing socially (at least in the US) to install that behavior in the younger generations.
Piracy has never been proven to remove sales and there are several cases that show it actually increases it. There have been multiple times in the past where studios have gone more conservative and created larger and larger “safe” productions. It always fails and inevitably some studios will go bankrupt or get sold off. I fear the consolidation we have now will result in serious ramifications when things eventually fall again.
Superman did get me to do something I haven’t done in what seems like decades and go watch the same movie twice in theaters.
It’s great.
I’m surprised you were able to see it in the theater. By the time I get off the couch to go see something, the studios have usually already shuffled it off to streaming.
Superman has been in theaters for over a month.
It's STILL in the theaters around here today.
“Over a month” is nothing compared to the lifetime of movies in theaters historically. A movie would have to bomb to have been pulled after only a month.
Well I guess in this case it's nearing 2 months. It came out on July 7.
Superman was the first movie I went by myself to see in like 5 years. I've taken the kids to a couple in that time period but none just for me.
Not quite the same but I have not watched anything new in awhile at all but I grabbed the digital edition. Got it for the dog and overall disapointed. I mean it was ok but definitely happy about the dog decision as it was the best parts to me. Keep in mind I have pretty much hated everything since the twenty teens so my bar is pretty high. Like LOTR high.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I really didn't like the new Superman. I'm a massive Superman fan and was bitterly disappointed in it. I see lots of people enjoying the new style, so maybe I'm just getting old. But each to their own; the old movies aren't going anywhere.
Superheros killed the movie theater, well that and income inequality
Like pumping meth into a dying corpse, we got it to writhe around and look alive for a few years, but the meth was actually kind of bad and contributed to the corpse being a corpse.
Ideally studios chase the success of KPop Demon Hunters and go after East Asian folklore. I like that trend.
KPDH is basically all the good and wholesome things about anime and I love that it's having a moment right now. While there's a ton of content out there, if you want the most similar thing I've seen, it's 22/7, but that hasn't been translated to English yet. You can only get it with subtitles. And it isn't a movie, it's a series. It's also a band which exists outside the series (and their best music isn't shown in the series). But it's also about an idol group, but one brought together by an unseen force which propels the group into super stardom. No demons in this one, but all eight (!) of them have compelling back stories that are worth watching.
As far as movies though, Hosoda is about to drop a new one early next year (it was originally going to be late this year). Scarlet. It appears to be based on Hamlet, like The Lion King. But with a girl. Cue the whole Kimba debate...
I think studios can be reliably trusted to learn exactly the wrong lesson from KPDH and flood the market with derivative cash-grab slop instead of taking a risk on something novel and different.
There are still enough western stories left untold that there's no need to pillage other cultures for a quick buck. I would love to see more representation of all cultures, myths or not, but I don't think the best way to do that is through churning out movies from Hollywood about them because that's what's in now. There has been more good representation recently, but that's not the takeaway from KPDH in my opinion. Josie and the pussycats is arguably superficially pretty similar, so it's not like the overall concept of girl group saves day through music and friendship hasn't been done in western media, this just had more fighting. I think the takeaway is that people aren't exclusively looking for established universes or known creative teams. Studios are unwilling to take chances on unknowns and it's causing a drought of creativity and originality. There's also a lot of created by committee issues that arise when studios do try something new that ruins the whole thing. I don't want to see a movie where every line was focus tested. I want to see a cohesive film with a point of view.
Last movie I saw in theaters was Nobody 2. After the tickets, one bucket of popcorn, and a few drinks at their bar I was about $120 poorer. It was fun, but it is more like a once a year thing now.
I like superhero movies, but even I don't want every movie to be one. It's the repetition I am getting sick of. Even if you change the heroes for lesser known ones, the stories are still all kinda the same. It's boring now. You need some new fucking ideas and to take some god damn chances once in a while, Hollywood.
I feel like James Gunn is the perfect man for the job to make it less formulaic. He uses the universe as a sandbox to play in. He has tools and characters to play with. Marvel has been so bad that they are predictable and boring. Fantastic 4 sucked ass. Even with Pedro Pascal, I just couldn't care about the characters or story. But James Gunns Superman is the first Superman movie I ever enjoyed. He's an OP character with no personality, but Gunn managed to make it enjoyable, which is hard with a character as bland as Superman. Basically Superman is mayonnaise, but James Gunn made it taste good. Marvel lately has been taking flavorful recipes and making them bland. The only exception being Deadpool. Fantastic 4 was a mouthful of mayonnaise.
I do think GOTG is one of the better series, and those were him too IIRC.
Yup, GOTG was James Gunn. And it was by far the most heartfelt series in the entire MCU, despite it being one of the lowest rated comic series. He's good at what he does because he brings heart to his stuff. I can't say I agree with his soundtrack choices, but that's a very minor complaint. He's a master storyteller, and delivers depth of character, even when there wasn't any before.
Honestly, some of his soundtracks are pretty dank, like Peacemaker and Creature Commandos, but in general I'm just glad he has actual taste and opinions at all instead of making committee-designed market-tested vanilla paste choices like so many other films we see these days.
It's saturation, Disney+, and the inflation/recession combo.
All it takes is a few misses and people will wait for streaming.
Me, I'll watch everything Marvel but I can wait, so when I was ready to go see a movie and it came down to Superman or Fantastic Four, the choice was easy. Superman delivered exactly what I wanted and needed.
I don't think this is superhero fatigue, or at least that's a lower issue on the list. It's Marvel (formula) fatigue especially, and I think they will right that ship soon.
People who make shitty movies like to blame fatigue or wokeness or racism instead of the root cause of poorly written stories.
Simplification that is not true. Thunderbolts was a better written superhero movie but no one went to see it.
James Gunn is good at what he does because he's passionate about the stories and characters. Disney uses characters and stories as profit inducers. That's the difference. James Gunn is going to end the MCU unintentionally by just being better at character development.
Thank God. I can't stand superhero/comic book movies.
Some of the Batman ones are OK. Watchmen and Antman were fine.
I still remember going to see Ironman 1 or 2 in the cinema what seems like 15+ years ago.
There was a scene where the oligarch is captured by the Taliban and he is held hostage in a cave. He then builds an ironman costume (from scrap?) in the cave and kicks the Taliban's ass. I was laughing at the stupidity of the scene.
It's at that moment I realized this stuff is not for me.
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