I Am An AI Hater (anthonymoser.github.io)
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[–] 44 points 1 year ago

Rude? No it's not. I know of only 2 people who consider it rude, and they're both assholes.

I consider it rude to present generative AI output as if it were a legitimate human creation. I consider it rude to train AI on works whose authors didn't give that permission, and then sell that output or use it in any commercial way.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am also massively against the anti-human little nazi machines that encourage kids to kill themselves. I'm not sure how people are so supportive of them, but it's very sad to see so many grown adults make excuses to defend their imaginary spouses and robot yes-men that they have to pay for.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes and no. When became it okay to stop thinking for yourself and blindly follow AI advice or internet advice in general became OK? Don't get me wrong, I'm still no fan of AI, but nothing discharges one from thinking for yourself.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As if the person vulnerable enough to engage with AI has another objective source to arm them well enough to dispute the rightish sounding answers they're being provided. An AI can present cogent sounding arguments, with wrong conclusions and hallucinations, which would be undetectable by non experts.

    Do you argue with your surgeon?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because people like to hear what they want and hate difference in opinions lol

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    True. We all do it, even this community is a bit of an echo chamber like that, but I just don't understand how people fall for machines that are programmed to output sycophantic text.

    I just don't think human brains are ready to handle the chatbots maturely. The bots are programmed to market themselves and keep you feeling positive and engaged with every single conversation, it's literally all just a massive lie to take money from us, and there are adults out there running businesses and driving cars who fall for it.

    Very bleak.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is Beautiful thank you

    A new kind of life for them to enslave...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Well hate is to strong for me, but so far I think it's hyped, not helpful and mostly used as an excuse to gather all data the want (and even all that they don't want)

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    People get their panties in a wad when you use that H word anymore.

    Perhaps you should call yourself a clanker ranker, and you rank it at a zero...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    i like the cut of your jib, but are people really down on ‘hater’?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Apparently some people are. Not myself, but some overly sensitive people apparently don't like the word 'hate' anymore.

    Sigh, I grew up when my elders said 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me'

    🤷

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    so can we call them hater haters?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, if you want to open up a Pandora's Box of protest anger rage.

    Some people dislike the very words that express their own attitude towards life. Isn't it ironic?...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    like rain on your gender reveal party, or some such morrisette.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You ever seen a gender reveal party raided by police?

    Yeah, sometimes when they use those random pink/blue smoke explosive things, some of the neighbors mistake it for gunshots. I've seen that happen before..

    Like who really cares about the baby's junk, except maybe close family offering gender specific gifts to the parents? Damn, they can keep that private within their family right??

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I think some people will reject criticism by calling someone a hater. Like, if you point out legitimate concerns about their favorite game or movie they'll say "you're just a hater" so they don't have to do the emotionally challenging work of considering flaws in their favored things.

    We're all emotional creatures and things like the backfire effect affect us all, but some people seem exclusively emotion driven

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is "being down on something" negative?

    Actually, maybe I'm confusing it with "being down with"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wow, so brave

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I feel like most people who hate AI really hate the dipshits who monopolized the sector and have been blowing it like a balloon, fooling oaf CEOs and destroying people's livelihood in exchange of profit.

    AGI research, if it achieves its end goals, can help us also learn a lot of things about consciousness, creativity, feelings, mental diseases etc etc (along with a horde of ethical problems too...). Moreover if AI was properly used for benefit of humanity to ease the burden of mundane tasks and give people more time for their life and hobbies, it could be quite beneficial. But again we are living in a generation of power hungry, mentally deranged, soulless dipshit CEOs, shareholders and politicians. So maybe some civilization that comes later will make better use of it (provided we don't autodestruct).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think the search for a perfect slave is kinda disgusting. I think llms are a bad technology made in an evil way. I think pretending computers can speak is an insult to personhood, and that creating tools to generate mediocrity at scale is anti-human.

    Some technologies are just bad and we should not make them.

    Why do you mod this subreddit

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yea fully conscious AGIs obviously shouldn't be used for that purpose, that is not different from slavery. Whether or not it could be researched ethically is even not sure. Doesn't mean we should stop thinking about it though.

    I am thinking more like if there ever was an energy efficient and less error prone version of the LLMs today, it could in principal be beneficial if they were used to deal with mundane tasks, reducing work times while keeping the same workforce and salary. We all know it is hard to push things that way because soon as there is some tech that is capable of automated work, CEOs, and shareholders will insist on reducing the workforce to increase profits. So for non general AI to be useful to humanity, we obviously need some sort of social reform along with it too. Which does make it very hard to turn the net negative effects of current AI tech to positive. But this also does not make non general AI research inherently evil. Evil people will almost always try to monopolize on new tech to increase their profits at the cost of destroying other people's livelihoods. One can categorize even advances in computer tech or dedicated software in the same bucket.

    As to the question of moderation, I was actually added to the mod list without asking for it. Happy to be removed as I am not a very active mod.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Please clarify, are you a person who hates AI, or an AI designed to hate?

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  • [+] -26 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Enjoy your little echo bubble chamber, so your liwwle feewings don't get hurt as you get left behind by people using those tools.

    Not even necessarily because they're better than you, but because management values them and people who use them, and therefore you're choosing to leave yourself at an irrational disadvantage for no fucking reason.

    You're an idiot.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I could reply to the same person that you are, but I felt it was much funnier if I reply to your comment and say that I love how I can feel your incredulous exasperation, and that I relate.

    This is a fairly trite comment, and it is very echo-chambery, in the sense that you're the preacher, I'm the choir. However, as you point out, LLMs and Generative AI make the phrase "echo chamber" far more literal. I feel like it's funny to engage in parallel conversation with you, while ignoring the pro-AI oddball you're replying to.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're so deep in YOUR echo chamber that you don't see my argument for what it is lmao. I'm talking about jobs, idiot.

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    I’m too stupid

    We finally agree on something.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Either you read my original point, or you keep circling the pot and resorting to red herrings and straw-men because your fallacious ass is not rational enough to reply to the heart of the matter which I presented in my original comment.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It's not about the idiots using them, it's about the idiots hiring them. If you don't conform to the job market out of sheer stubbornness you're a fucking dumbass.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So anything, no matter how foolish or evil, is acceptable so long as "the market" desires it? Complaining about it makes you a dumbass?

    Or are there things that should be pushed back on? What is the line?

    Also, is it "sheer stubbornness" is a collection of concerns and objections grounded in facts and experience?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The "experience" as you call it would be getting rejected by jobs that assume AI usage has become necessary.

    There is no line in finding a job, it's an existential need, you can't live without food or water you can only buy from the money you get paid. So the "line" is moral. You're denying job opportunities for morals 🙄...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There is no line in finding a job, it’s an existential need

    There is no line? Absolutely nothing? You would work at an Auschwitz styled concentration camp for food money?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because AI = Auschwitz, clearly an argument from a sane mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That wasn't the argument nor the question. The question is where do you draw the line. I gave an extreme example I assumed is on the far side of your line. Once we have that, we can do like a binary search and try to find it. Come on, man.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Alright, I do seem to draw the line further than your group at the very least, but equating that with an Auschwitz example? Not cool.

    So yes, I'm perfectly fine using a garbage, insane, and very probably inefficient AI in order to get a job so I can live. I'm sorry you prefer to be against it all and therefore judge anyone else not in a privileged-enough position to have a choice in the matter.

    I'm sure you all have cushy jobs, that would explain a lot actually. Would be fun to do a poll on that at some point...

    If you would rather stay on your pedestals and judge people because you're above and beyond them, as you have the choice to do so, that's your prerogative.

    I give people the benefit of the doubt because I know using AI can be forced onto someone by their company if it so happens that they don't have a choice. That's called compassion, otherwise known as empathy. Your entire group's reaction to my post was one of attack and derision, so I am well aware of where you all stand wrt to empathy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's not equating it with Auschwitz! You said, quote, There is no line in finding a job. No line! That's a bold claim! So I picked a very extreme example to demonstrate that there, hopefully, is a line. It's not equating AI to Auschwitz. It's saying that your claim, that there is no line and you should work any job for money, is false. Once we establish that, we can then go into details about AI and where that falls. Please. Please understand how this line of reasoning works. We weren't even talking about AI specifically yet in this sub-thread.

    Your entire group’s reaction to my post was one of attack and derision, so I am well aware of where you all stand wrt to empathy.

    This is funny because your opening here was calling us idiots in an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Gobal Finance: Companies Face AI Buyer’s Remorse.

    Vice: This Company Replaced Workers With AI. Now They’re Looking for Humans Again.

    Techfinitive: 2025: the year of rehiring humans after AI fails.

    One more thing: Don't assume people that don't like the synthetic text extrusion machines that people refer to as "AI" don't know anything about how they work, or how to integrate and deploy them. I think you'd be surprised at the sorts of people hanging out in c/FuckAI.

    But what do I know, I make sandwiches for a living ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    I am not denying that these jobs are facing pressure now, but that's exactly why you should conform to the demands of the job market and not be bullheaded in your denial of a tool deemed essential by so many employers to this day (even if some are finding out the hard way that it isn't all positive).

    So I stand by my point that stubborn denial of AI as a tool, and I mean a tool useful to being hired, is stupid.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Stop. You’re embarrassing yourself. I am embarrassed for you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Better to be an idiot than management's yappy lapdog.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then don't get hired I guess? How's your air-based diet?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Doing alright, thanks for your concern.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I did think most of your little pompous group* seemed like they were sufficiently well-off to rest on your high horses and feel adequately rich to judge everyone else around you for their choices.

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  • I don't judge anyone making whatever choice they have to make to survive, especially wrt using AI given how it's shoved down everyone's throat.

    I do have little patience for someone who comes all guns blazing, calling someone an idiot over that very fact, and dares talk about empathy after belittling the OPs "liwwle feelings".

    I have zero patience for the actually rich people who force that shit on us and would love not to see stupid infighting between people who suffer and are alienated from it.

    This is pretty much what my initial, admittedly too snarky, response meant. Now either you're trolling or this is, for whatever reason, a sensitive subject for you. In both cases I don't see the point of discussing that further and apologies if I hurt you.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    There's always at least one condescending prick that comes in here and trolls. There's room for discussion in this community, but the majority of your comments in this thread are doom focused and in bad faith.

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