Part 2: https://www.lttlabs.com/blog/2025/06/30/is-2025-the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-part-ii

LTT Fourm discussion as well https://linustechtips.com/topic/1616595-lttlabs-article-is-2025-the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-part-i-ii/

They approached this from a noob perspective and the benchmarks seemed pretty rough. The blog has an overall positive tone on linux which is nice even though it got murdered in performance.

I'd like to see a follow up with optimizations, get some of the linux community involved to help setup an optimized linux test bench to go toe to toe with their "golden image" windows 11 benchmark setup.

They benchmarked a few distros against each other and it was very samey which I expected, the real difference is between the drivers/kernel and desktop environment since most distros come very light in terms of installed software.

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[–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Ubuntu 24.04? If you were to try to pick the worst, still supported distro for gaming that might be it. Maybe RHEL could be worse? If they chose it for stability like they claim they did they should have also used an LTSC version of Windows and the Pro drivers to compare to.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I just saw the part 2 has a distro comparison at the end. Thry claim different distros don't matter, which is not what I've read in other publications. Anyone have an idea what might be going on here?

    Also, where are the 1% lows?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    The writing of this article was not the quality I would have preferred. The infotainment angle really makes it feel like their data can't be trusted. With that being said,

    "as long as you have a distro with an up to date kernel and the latest Mesa drivers your out of box experience won’t vary much at all."

    This is actually a greater challenge for the average user than they think it is. Its also why the universal Blue project exists. Using the OCI container model for the OS, they can easily upgrade and customize the kernel, drivers, and even upgrade to entire new versions of Fedora without batting an eye. This is the main reason I've switched over to Bazzite. The pain of updating is gone. Also, most images have the "-nvidia" version which alleviates the headaches of maintaining your Nvidia drivers.

    Rant: If anything, this article shows that the nuances of the FOSS ecosystem is lost on them because they're afraid of strange elitists imaginary neck beard criticizing them? I understand this is for comedic effect but it feels sophomoric and hacky; like they've missed the point. I would ask them to follow Jorge Castro a bit and understand the work he's doing is specifically to make Linux for everyone else.

    TBH they will be the last publication to come around to it. As Microsoft leaves us all no real choice in the matter, the future of the PC hobbyist is Linux, weather they like it or not so they need to stop complaining and start contributing.

    ::insert "money please" meme::

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Thumbnails like this are the worst.

    Seeing them take off in popularity has degraded my hope for humanity a little more.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Go away, LTT is infamous for sloppy testing.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    And dropping things, expensive things. And selling items that are on loan to them, after misusing said item on loan. And not knowing basic server maintenance like file scrubbing. And letting the staff trash talk other creators, and then doubling down when called out for it. And...

    E: and ignoring terminal warnings, and...

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  • I think the results look pretty solid for Linux. Some games seemed to run much better on Windows but most seemed pretty comparable. Considering many of these games were not built targeting Proton it's not surprising that some stuff might not be optimized.

    I first got into Linux in 2014 when gaming on Linux was very limited. The fact that I can run most of my Steam library on Linux these days still blows my mind. It doesn't bother me much if windows still gets a couple more FPS.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    If you are benchmarking between Windows and Linux dont use Ubuntu with the gnome desktop, it's fucking aweful, use Kubuntu with KDE Plasma 6.4 instead running a wayland session, it's so much more performant and even gives my games a boost.

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the benchmarks seemed pretty rough

    Do they? I think they looked pretty good except for when raytracing was turned on.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The benchmarks go against the narrative that Windows and Linux are pretty much equal in performance. I've read regularly that Linux is "often" faster than Windows for gaming, especially from more recent Linux users.

    5 years ago, 15% performance difference were the expected performance loss through DXVK and wine/proton, so these benchmarks would've been the expected result.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'd argue that if you buy an Intel or Nvidia GPU when you want to run Linux, you are actively sabotaging yourself. Clearly those two don't make good Linux drivers as the performance discrepancy is way larger compared to AMD/Radeon. For radeon the article says:

    Ubuntu was 8% slower than Windows

    (Leaving out raytracing bumps that to a 5.7% difference btw.)

    Which seems ok to me. Especially considering that they mostly tested newer titles. If you check older titles, many of them perform on par or better on Linux than on Windows. For example notoriously World of Warcraft.

    Quality can also be percieved by frame stability. 1% lows for example, which manifest in occasional hickups. While the average fps might still be equal, the game might feel less laggy if the framerate is more consistent. Which was not measured here at all. Other sites benchmarks (again for older titles) show less hickups iirc.

    So the statement can be true depending on what you play and how you measure. It's very difficult to make a study that is unbiased and reflects the real world experience of most people. Some will have great results and talk about them online. Others will have bad results and talk about them online.


    Bonus edit:

    On windows I remember it starting a background update while I was playing an online game and it started lagging, even though the fps stayed the same. And there was no way to prevent these background processes from running when I was playing. This would not be captured in such a benchmark as well, because they update everything before running the benchmarks. But it would frequently happen in real life use. For me this was the killer UX difference that made me fully move to Linux 9 years ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    As an Intel/nVidia user when I switched (ie I already owned them). I can say that in real world gaming - ie not synthetic benchmarking, my vibes based analysis is that some games are definitely less fps, others I can't notice, and a few i'm quite sure performed better.

    If I were buying new I would probably go with AMD, but from my experience being team blue & green should be no impediment to moving.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The fake shocked-face thumbnail trend is so tiresome.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I remember seeing a lot of benchmarkers stating that Linux offered better and consistent frame times compared to Windows which caused for a smoother gameplay. I wish to see that metric in their testing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was actually considering getting an Intel GPU since my current one broke, didn't knew the sitation was still this bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    The problem is they are using ubuntu 24.04 which runs on an older kernel by default. Im a mainline user so unsure which kernel ubuntu uses now but i think its 6.4 which lacks a lot of intel driver fixes and support for battlemage. I cant blame them for not knowing or specifying, the only person knowledgeable for this is wendel and his team (level1techs).
    Outside of mainline, ubuntu has a 6.14 kernel build they support but you have to actively look for it in the ui.
    It is however, a sign for me that ltt is not suited for this and should have waited and investigated more before posting. Or maybe asked external help to verify stuff idk

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Forget Linux vs Windows, the real question I have is why is Black Myth Wukong so poorly optimized that on a 4060 or 5060 it can't reach 60 FPS at 1080p even on Windows? Freaking unacceptable.

    You would think coming from the mobile world, Game Science would be used to low-spec hardware, e.g. phones, but this game can't run well even on pretty new GPUs on PCs??? I had no idea this game had such abysmal performance. I wish people hadn't bought it, so it could've flopped

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    Lets talk linux gaming optimization. For them its probably best to take a distro like cachyOS out the box. The game should run inside gamescope with the desktop environment killed Feral gamemode enabled. Minimal services running in the background. I dont think they should go full HPC engineer (although that would be sick) but linux is all about taking full control of your software and hardware and pushing whats possible.

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not bad. I take issue with the part of the article called "distro wars". There is no war, but I dont expect them to "get it". These cringelords seem to have a need to meme-fi everything, really dings the tone of the reviews. Am I reading a tech review or an opinion article?

    Eeh

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Distro wars is because every time someone does something linux related 99% of the comments are you should have used X distro. I thought it was good they included that section. Remember this isnt aimed at linux users its for PC gamers unfamiliar with linux.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I get it, I see the comment sections. Tribalism is everywhere.

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