any advice for trying void? Ive heard good things but never really gave it a chance.

No, but I use Arch btw.

+1 for slackware. rock solid distro.

Thanks for making me not the first person to mention slackware for once. I don't have any beef with systemd. It's just foreign to me. I installed slackware some time in the late 90s and found my life's calling.

This feels like an "I would switch to Linux if I didn't need Windows for work" comment from another universe.

Contrarianism

When you want to feel special but not enough to go to the effort of using FreeBSD

If you have to ask, then there's no reason not to. It's people who tinker with their systems that encounter issues with it, or more often random annoyances that add up over tme to those memes.

When you're not using your computer

because the over 70 different binaries of systemd are "not modular" because they are designed to work together. What makes a monolith is, apparently, the name of the overarching project, not it being a single binary (which again, it's not)

This is the shit.

Gentoo is the best distro, can't imagine going back to binary blobs.

And it's so stable and easy to use.

It needs a solid CPU to update, that's a downside, but for me it's absolutely worth it.

System service managers like systemd, OpenRC, runit, or SysVinit often come down to user preference.

And coding best-practice. And a philosophy borne of bad luck and bad software that aims to resist monoculture.

But that lennart kid is cool for a Microsoft employee.

Systemd is much faster than other systems on multicore CPUs.

Same here. Has to be degoogled though.

All I hear about it is that it doesn't follow the Unix philosophy of a program should do one thing and do it well. And while it does seem quite large and do a lot of things, out of all the times I have broken my system, systemd has never been to blame.

Edit: deleted duplicate comment.

It tries to do everything.

Think of a thing you want to do in Linux and there is a systemd plugin for it. It’s not the unix way

I personally do not like that systemd gets more and more integrated with other software. For example Gnome. That makes it harder to use that software on non systemd linux, or other OS.

Nothing, but it's new so people hate it. See also: PulseAudio, Pipewire, Wayland.

I wonder how far we are from CI drivers ala Nix that fork builds out to idle hardware like a distributed torrent network. As someone with three out of tree modules in use, there must be dozens of us I'd like to think.

Chaotic neutral

Init is just that bad. /s

The tasteful thickness of it

Some people think it handles too many low-level systems. It's a valid concern because if systemd itself were to become compromised (like Xz Utils was) or a serious bug was introduced, all of the userland processes would be affected. People who are stuck in the 90s and think that the Unix philosophy is still relevant will also point out that it's a needlessly complex software suite and we should all go back to writing initscripts in bash.

Red Hat, the owner of systemd, has also had its fair share of controversies. It's a company that many distrust.

Ultimately, those whose opinion mattered the most decided that systemd's benefits outweigh the risks and drawbacks. Debian held a vote to determine the project's future regarding init systems. Arch Linux replaced initscripts because systemd was simply better, and replicating and maintaining its features (like starting services once their dependencies are running) with initscripts would've been unjustifiably complicated.

Nothing, it's just bloated but in practice if your system meets normal distros system requirements systemd isn't going to make that much of a difference in practical use.

Nothing. Elitists are just smug

If you are just a user, in that a computer is just a tool you use, then you're right, there's comparatively little reason to be concerened or even know about the underlying details of the system. If you go further and start making changes to your system, or even building more complex systems, over time you will find yourself forming quite firm opinions about various parts of the underlying system, especially if you've had experience with other options.

Tribalism exists in every circle, perhaps moreso in tech circles. Ironically anyone who hates on a distro could just switch, or build their own distro if they were so inclined, but it's often the hating that people participate more in than using their system. Use what works for you, and if it no longer works for you use something else.

As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd?

Um, because as a user you may have to deal with services, or other systemd features?

Let's say you want to start ssh-agent when you login to your desktop environment. Well, there's a systemd service for that that you can enable, and on another distro you'd have to do it another way (autostart script or something).

Maybe a stupid question, but is the thing you did fundamentally different from Devuan?

Come get Devuan.