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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

Thats a real c/theydidthemath type one

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    (Also, not that it matters, trains were going across and the tunnel was open.)

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  • [–] [S] 42 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I didn't think they were making that analogy. I think they were highlighting the inefficiency of car-centric spaces. I can think of several other ways the author's thought experiment breaks down. For example many vehicles will be moving freight and goods, not just people and I don't know if the author has factored in anything like that. Then you could also say well what about the distance the cars are travelling compared to say how far people are likely to walk in comparison. All that said I still think it's a thought provoking way of highlighting how car-centric spaces just suck.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago

    I'm prepared to cut them a bit of slack. There was a bit of a nasty campaign by the police, media and state government to try and prevent the protest. It was an important protest to have and I suspect the author's having a bit of fun at the police and government's expense. They have done a fair bit of campaigning on the issue of public housing, people-oriented urban spaces and so on.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That idea is nowhere in the OP, you've literally made something up to be mad at

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yeah you're putting words in their mouth IMO. I don't think it's reasonable to take "technically the bridge had higher throughput when this occurred" and jump all the way to "therefore this is how it should always operate", that feels like you are trying too hard to read between the lines and creating meaning where there was none.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    so the bridge should be closed for tourism?

    a bridge is a tool for use by people wishing to cross an otherwise difficult to cross span… the purpose of that crossing - including things like recreation - shouldn’t dictate if their crossing should be allowed or not

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Your argument is "It is supposed to be the way it is precisely and only because it is the way it is".

    That's never a good argument to make.

    The real question here is "Could this bridge be used in a better way?", e.g. by closing a lane or two and opening these up for pedestrians or bikes.

    The OOP uses an extreme example to show how inefficient car infrastructure is, and it is incredibly inefficient.

    I don't know this specific bridge in question, but for most urban commuter routes rush hour means that traffic slows to a crawl because there's more cars than throughput and thus increasing throughput is more important than increasing speed. That's why stuff like public transport, biking and walking where possible is so important because these transport options have much, much higher throughput.

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  • [+] -75 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Protests are good.

    Preventing random people from getting to where they need to be is bad.

    If you do this, it makes me think ill of your cause.

    It’s really that simple, and I don’t give a fuck how you rationalize or justify it to yourself.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    So you are saying cars are bad because they block the flow of traffic and block others getting where they need to go. Roads are bass too because they separate communities and block them from getting to other areas.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Protests are good but they should be out of the way and easily ignored because gosh they can just be so annoying”.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Damn. I first saw this comment 3 hours ago when it was brand new, and I genuinely thought it was some actually quite clever satire.

    But...refreshing the page and seeing all your other more recent comments in the thread... Nope. You just really are that stupid.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    This is why we need to ban cars. I've been delayed so many times by cars, and maybe once in my life by a protest. Emergency service response times get vastly better with fewer cars. It's been proved over and over, like in New York recently.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    You may tell yourself otherwise, but you're part of the problem.

    People like you who value your own convenience higher than for example the lives of Palestinians, the planet continuing to sustain human life, or the civil rights of your neighbors are who need to be inconvenienced out of your pampered complacency.

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    [+] -43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Gonna take a wild guess here and say that bikes are probably ok too. The stupid shit that tumbles out of the anti-car crowd is just comedy.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Bikes get a 2000 bikes per hour throughout on a 1 meter (3 feet) wide lane. Cars can get about 1900 vehicles per hour on a regular lane. Give bikes the same space as you give cars and bikes move a lot more people.

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    How is that an assumption at all? If you provide the same amount of infrastructure for bikes as for cars, then you still have half the infrastructure for cars, so people can use both / either.

    And for those of us living in places where we don’t have bike friendly infrastructure, it’s useful to be able to point out that converting car infra to bike infra would have the capacity to reduce congestion, particularly if the area commits to making those changes more widely.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Its not bike friendly enough if you'd rather drive. There is a typhoon right now and its still more pleasant to casually motorbike through the city, at my own pace, completely unimpeded by traffic, looking for anything interesting, and park 3 feet from the entrance than to fuck with driving, slowing for traffic, pulling over to let someone pass because I'm not going fast enough, finding parking, walking through the rain and water streaming down the sidewalks.

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    [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What I'm taking away from this is that if protestor really want to be disruptive, they should all get in their cars and park on a bridge or a freeway.

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