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[–] 81 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What the actual fuck, Google‽

I swear to Hephaestus, at this point I'm considering switching to UBPorts or Sailfish OS or something...

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  • [+] -17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think Sailfish is banned outside of Scandinavia. The company will not allow others to have it if you dont live there.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think you're pulling things straight outta your ass.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It's the next level for magicians to master, after they've perfected the top hat.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This is from their site:

    We currently sell in European Union, UK, Norway and Switzerland.
    Please be welcome to use our products anywhere in the world, however due to our limited resources we can only support the noted regions.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    While I won't tell people exactly what to search, I can guarantee that I can find malware first try on Google Play. Google Play Integrity is just as dodgy.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    When a preventative measure very obviously won't solve the stated problem, that may not be what it's really there to solve. This is another of Google's anti-open-source moves designed to bring all Android devices entirely under their control and surveillance. It goes along with their bringinh all Android development in house and making it harder for third parties to make their own custom versions of Android (Graphene OS etc.). It also seems a little odd that this happens right when several countries are introducing requirements that users supply ID to visit websites.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago

    My personal favorite is how they are doing it to prevent data theft and malware. All they have ever done is trick people out of data. All of their shitty apps that I can not remove from my Samsung phone ARE the malware I do not want. Fuck Google and every person that works there!

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    shit like this really should be illegal

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Custom ROM usage is gonna explode

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    My blood glucose monitor is not on the play store. So one dy next year I'll wake up and no longer be able to get that data...?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    setting up walled garden using security excuse. What's the next excuse?

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The terrible risk that you install apps which don't use google-tagmanager, googleanalytics and don't send logging and user data to Alphabet.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wish we lived in a world where open source was funded even at a single percentage of what this oligopoly pulls in each year. We'd have a viable alternative to the duopoly by now.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ELI5 if this will affect the use of F-Droid?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    If you have the stock OS from the manufacturer, it will affect you. If you flash a custom ROM, it won't.

    Edit: You can still use F-Droid regardless of which android you're running, but if you run stock you can only install the apps that have developers registered with google.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Apps that use dark patterns (aka almost everything in the play store) are more harmful than apps commonly flagged as malware.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like another lawsuit waiting to happen

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It seems Google has been tightening control over Android in recent years and this looks like the next major step. Most people probably won’t care and the only realistic option for users who value software freedom and privacy is to wait until Linux or another free and open-source OS becomes a viable alternative. Overall a disappointing turn of events for the mobile computing space

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    FairPhone with /e/OS by default is the EU answer by the e-Foundation

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're closing in on alternative ROMs with their fucking shitty device integrity checks, I'm afraid it's only getting worse. I literally had to switch back to stock Android because none of the e-government apps of the country I live in NOR two out of my three banks work on /e/. Literally impossible to participate in society unless I sell my soul to Google, sadly.

    I really hope we're able to fight back and win the war.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That's sad, and so backwards...

    If they really wanted to make sure the data on the phone is safe, the integrity checks should be about making sure the phone is built from FOSS with available source code, that can be publicly audited and even the banks themselves could check it for security.. which should actually rule Google services out, not the other way around!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Only available to people who can afford nearly an iPhone x3

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well, it's not a cheap phone, but it's a phone for the rest of your life, it's full modular, that means, you can fix and change everything by yourself any component of the phone, no need to pay money to an technic workshop. Apart it offers also sys specs which fits the price.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    All this still does not matter if you cannot afford it. It is as simple as that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Well, even if you can't afford the price for an FairPhone, you can use /e/OS or also LinageOS in your Phone instead of Android, they are free and full based on the Android code, so all your apps will work in these without problems, but without Google breathing in your neck, dictating which app you can use and which not. You can also use some Linux distros made for Mobile, like Ubuntu Mobile and others, but these are not so compatible with Android apps, despite that Android is also an modified Linux, so it's better to use the mencioned de-googled forks.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    mobile computing space

    I'm starting to feel like the Mobile Computing space died somewhere around when the Subnotebooks and the PDAs died and we've been living illusions ever since.
    It's the Mobile Appliance™ space now.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    And, just like that, no more modded apps, no more custom stores, everything is tightly under control unless you install a custom ROM (and then it's no more banking apps,etc.). And it's all for our own good, after all, big brother Google knows what's best for us!

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Some banking apps do work so it would be helpful not to spread that misconception.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    My (major Canadian) Bank app (TD) has always just worked, no matter the state of my bootloader or root, and I've never bothered with Magisk Hide or anything like that to try to dodge root checks.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Requirement of authentication apps is making it trickier too. If you want to go to a concert or sporting event vended by ticketmaster, you're fucked outside of Android and iOS.

    Clocking into jobs increasingly requires Android or iOS.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yes, there used to be papers for "coordinate systems" you could use as 2FA, and SMS one-time-passwords.. but they are slowly being rolled out in the EU due to security concerns and the "Strong Customer Authentication (SCA)" standards mandated by PSD2. EU banks are transitioning to app-based and biometric authentication now... here you literally need a phone if you want any form of online banking.

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  • [+] [S] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    For fucks sake, let's find out what Fairphone needs in the US to be used with other services and create a gofundme for them to get it. Goddamn I am beyond sick of Google's shit right now. It is constantly a nightmare to get around their bloatware and deal with the rest of the surveillance nightmare on a daily basis. Fairphone works on T Mobile but they suck!

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Time to fund /e/OS GraoheneOS etc but also bridges like Waydroid until we can use e.g. PmOS and avoid Android altogether.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Time to fund /e/OS GraoheneOS

    no.

    those are just android with some modification. two years from now google can easily disrupt them too.

    phones need a copyleft new OS. not a foss one, an actual copyleft one. with an independent group managing it.

    an OS that a company can decide what app I can run on it is just a surveillance apparatus gadget.

    google never wanted user to have control of their phone even 10 years ago.

    the easiest way to check this is to see if you can stop an installed app to ever do stuff without you explicitly opening it. they are so many "triggers" that apps can register and run based on them that user cant do anything about them. "wifi connected" "wifi disconnected" and so on.

    if an app can "listen" to these triggers and I cant disable it from listening to them (even for non-system apps) them I don't really own my phone. then android is just a attention stealing spam machine at best and spying and terror gadget for world's supremacist regimes too.

    I think even apple iOS has that option (disabling backgournd refresh per app ) and in that regard is better than android. If I wasn't against non-foss software and I didn't live in Iran, at this point apple iOS is not that different fro google and is more polished too.

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  • [+] [S] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Wow thanks for posting this. I read the whole thing but what I'm not getting is the fact that their started concern is apks "side loaded". This is aimed directly at the foss community as normal people already won't I stall anything outside of the play store. No non tech enthusiasts go straight to git hub ...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is sad that PinePhone are inaccesible in a lot of places. They dont send where I live because they use DHL (shitty service which charges 34 euros to send from the capital city to where I live because is "remote area" despite is the city in the airport and is nearer than the capital city) and the pricing was 1.5 times the price of the product so they cancelled the option (as well as they dont know the different custom that may exist in special zones in the same country).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is why you use a proxy service. Also more secure against interdiction attacks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Those proxy services usually do not target custom stores (Banango and Guanxe Prime).

    Also, it leaves you unprotected if something is bad with the goods, as the return parcel ticket targets the initial destination.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Fuck off. This is my last android phone

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What would you get instead? I think if Google actually follows through with this, I'll switch to LineageOS, which is still Android. Obviously, iOS is much worse on this front.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Honestly, I don't know. I'll find something. Let the recommendations begin!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's no alternative that won't have major limitations. I predict it'll just be more like going back to the days of jailbreaking to install unsigned apps. Unfortunately AOSP is already pretty much unusable without Google services installed for the vast majority of apps.

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  • [+] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    I mean, some of us did when GrapheneOS and folks started to bootlick goolag for their walled garden in pro of security as well as the economical breach they did not cover (Pixels are not available to everynyan) and even incentivated.

    Yet here we are again.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Fuck you Google no one is gonna buy your bull shit anymore. Fork android!!!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Fairphone 6 looks quite interesting and has a Google-free option. People are saying it's a bit buggy but they're fixing the bugs rapidly. And two-day battery life sounds pretty good.

    https://shop.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-e-operating-system

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [+] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah the real problem is somewhere else this just symptomatic of the capitalist mode of production and classes society. But no one want to talk about it! So we are getting fuck in the ass by those who possess the means of production and the product of our labour, understood? Alienation big time. The brave new world.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I made fun of the Liberux Nexx before due to its outdated cpu being promoted as new but this is making me change my mind. Speed isn't worth the walled garden. I have concerns about the battery life but all it takes to remedy that is a powerbank. Banking apps might be a problem but if I find their websites wanting I can just use them on an old cheap android.

    It is disappointing that the Liberux Nexx missed its fundraising goal and had to open a new one. And the new one is only 10% of the way there, with no prototype and delivery on next summer. That's cutting it very close with the timeline of these restrictions. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/liberux-nexx--3#/

    BTW, the Google blog post webpage has a link to a feedback form. Doubt it will do anything, but if you want an abyss to yell that's good as any: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfN3UQeNspQsZCO2ITkdzMxv81rJDEGGjO-UIDDY28Rz_GEVA/viewform

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    Yawn. Guess more people will just have to not install gapps..

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