Someone please tell me why I shouldn't be optimistic about this.
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Well this thread has taught me the anti-Corbyn people are completely unhinged
Corbyn is good on Gaza, but he is terrible on literally everything else. He is a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well.
Wow I don't know if I've ever come across anyone who holds all of those specific opinions. It's genuinely interesting to me. I'd have expected "he's a raging antisemite" instead of "good on Gaza", given the rest of what you said
Or is it when you say "literally everything else" do you just mean "other foreign policy stuff"?
This commenter is just understandably misled by the UK media's decades-long smear campaign. He is absolutely not "a huge supporter of Putin and russian genocidal imperialism as well", if you take a look at his history of words and actions.
How is supporting the annexation of Crimea (just one example in context of Ukraine, there are many more) not open support for russian genocidal imperialism?
The fucker openly works with russian propaganda/intel services. This has nothing to do with the UK media.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Corbyn+support+Crimea+annexation
Yep as I expected, nothing about supporting the annexation or openly working with Russian propaganda/intel services. In fact what I'm seeing from googling that is many examples of him actually publicly condemning the Russian governments actions over the years, including the invasion of Ukraine. If he's under Russian employ as you say, I'm very surprised they didn't fire him years ago
But yeah you're clearly someone who sees the Ukrainian government and NATO as perfect and could never do anything wrong and will continue to do so. So anyone who says even slightly different is worthy to be demonised by you, whether it's actually true or not they even said anything like that. And before you accuse me of being a "Russia sympathiser" or whatever I completely believe Russia is the aggressor and that we should be supoorting Ukraine. Just not that Ukraine and NATO have been 100% good themselves
Like, for instance, it's also funny that people can't see that NATO are loving the invasion. It means they don't have to all openly go to war with Russia to severely weaken it, something they've always wanted. They can just use Ukraine in a proxy war and allow the country and people to suffer all the hardships while the rest of NATO just pump Ukraine with war funding and the politicians in government in those countries get an easy win in popularity. Starmer is a great example of this, just about everything he's done is unpopular and the UK population for the most part are at the very least disappointed in him. The only time he was really popular was when he was all nice to Zelenskyy after the terrible Trump meeting he went through. Which is exactly what Starmer should have done of course, but it just shows how much of an easy goal it is
Your starting point was a web search! Corbyn is a huge promoter or russian propaganda on NATO, his fake peacnik organization recognized Crimea as part of russia.
Ukraine and NATO have not been good? What does that even mean?
That's a russian propaganda narrative. You don't speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you've never even lived in Ukraine (Donbas or any other part).
Get the fuck out of here with your "NATO is at fault" and "proxy war" bullshit, you ignorant, lazy, dishonest, fake leftist! A real leftist would recognise that countries have the right to self determination.
Can you provide interviews or clips where he's been a promoter of russian propaganda?
- He has worked with RT, a Russian propaganda service aimed at the west managed by russian intel services.
- He routinely promotes russian propaganda narratives about NATO
- His fake peacenik organization (he is the executive director who is responsible for such press releases) recognized russia as part of Ukraine.
- He openly opposed weapons deliveries to Ukraine after the full scale in order to give russia an edge in the invasion
I don't even need to do a web search to write out these points. Who would have thought that in a country being invaded by russia for 11 years out of its 34 years of independence, the media would report on Western leaders collaborating with russians?
Or do you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz who don't have journalism?
You can look up the sources for the abovementioned points, it's not difficult. Or assume I am lying, whatever works for you.
you think we are all dumb eastern european sour cream n1ggaz
wow steady on my dude
I am just highlighting how this comes off as.
The gall to assume I am just making shit up because I hate daddy Corbyn. Not mention thinking that our Ukrainian-language media (and even english language media run by Ukrainian diaspora in places like Canada) lack integrity to validate such reporting.
Height of arrogance, racism even.
You have to be a troll my friend. That, or just unhinged and deep in the delusion and copium. Either way it's been hilarious and very entertaining to see what you think counts as reasoned arguments come on and on. The using of racial slurs while accusing others of "racism" was the cherry on the cake (I'm also white by the way, like most Ukrainians)
You're making the statements, you bring the receipts.
There is that supremacist paternalism that I was talking about.
This is exactly why Western "leftists" are either useful idiots (E.g. Varoufakis, who otherwise has very good ideas and a modern leftist worldview) or collaborators with the russians (Corbyn).
Mate you either speak reason or shut up, I can literally say you're Putin's alt account, my words mean nothing without proof, and same with yours, so either add something of value or don't say anything at all, tired of your copy pasted messages of no substance.
Keep telling yourself that.
You know I am right (even though you may not admit publicly). You're too scared to look very clear and specific examples, because you know that Corbyn is a massive supporter of russian genocidal imperialism!
Oh no, I think you know I am right. We can go on and on and on, any fact-less statement you say I can turn back on you because no one is bringing any references so what I'm saying is just as valid. You can save us all the time waste and actually link your sources instead of acting like you're too good for that.
Yeah, yeah.
You don't even know the position of a politician you're fanboying for.
Someone did check the examples I provided and they are all true:
https://feddit.uk/post/35181984/19647124
I told you that such matters are reported on in Ukrainian media and they have both editorial and financial incentives to be honest about these sort things.
My first interaction here has been to ask for sources on your claims, I don't know where you got fanboyism, that's basic argumentation, you make the argument and provide examples, others refute them with other examples.
I find it funny that in the end it was still someone else who came forward with links to articles, weird hill to die on for you to not just do it yourself, but thank you for linking to the person linking articles.
You don't see how a bunch of Corbyn fanboys lying about easily verifyable facts would make someone from Ukraine less than willing to engage in a discussion in a diplomatic manner?
You may not be a Corbyn fanboy. To be honest it's a bit difficult to track who is who in the threads for this post.
"he's an antisemite" is sooo yesteryear, you need to keep up with the propaganda smear machine.
How is he not a supporter of Russian gencidal imperialism? He openly supports the annexation of Crimea (and by extension the prosecution of Ukrainian speakers and Crimean Tartars in occupied territories). He is also huge supporter of russian propaganda resources.
I am more aware of his tankie foreign policy views (I am not from the UK), but based on discussions with friends who do live there, his economic policies are also uninspired (nationalizations etc.) even if you are left leaning.
Repeating it doesn't make it true. How are you not a supporter of Russian genocidal imperialism?
It's true, Corbyn worked with a RT, a russian propaganda service that's managed by russian intel services.
Corbyn is one the largest promoter of russian propaganda narratives about "NATO is responsible for the invasion".
Corbyn's fake-peacenik organziation recognized Crimea as part of russia.
Even russians know it's not true (about NATO), their sole goal is to manipulate ignorant, fake-leftists like yourself. You're justing how ignorant you are.
It's literally written in their key doctrinal text on foreign policy operations.
You don't speak russian (or Ukrainian) and you've never lived in Ukraine or russia. You're just a fake leftist who is in it for aesthetic reasons.
Ahh I see you are a Russian genocide supporter, you weren't able to prove otherwise and us just saying words with no evidence is enough to prove our point that you are a supporter right? I mean I didn't have to do a google search to know that about you, you're famously a supporter of Russia
the only way komrad korbyn will get his authoritarian chum farage elected is by splitting the left vote. the most effective way to do that is to abuse the only issue his non-party has and have a show trial. i notice historians are not on the list of the invited.
and how will this help gazans? not in the slightest, but that was never the point and who really ever gave a damn about peace in gaza anyway?
Jeremy going to great lengths to make sure Labour lose another election. Hat trick!
With them coming on the way they are I'm not sure what makes much difference who wins the election.
Keir is doing a great job alienating the base even without Corbyn.
Yeah but he isn't farage/badenoch
And Badenoch won't win shit.
Unless there's a split vote
Lol I mean like since when does Keir do anything but bend down to the Tories and Reform
too bad its full of transphobes and corbyn can't even condemn them and say transphobia has no place in the party.
Transforming British politics by splitting the left so Reform gets in. I respect Jezza, but fear the unintended consequences.
It's funny to me that people use the two party race argument, using reform over conservatives, and not realising the irony in saying the same can't be done with labour.
Kiers labour is an authoritarian government cosplaying as left wingers. Enforcing the OSA, refusing to even investigate let alone restrict our nations role in the Gaza genocide & appeasing a pseudo-hostile fascist dictator at the expense of the common worker in the UK are all facets of a centre to right gov, rather than left. The party is rotten; full of bad actors only intent on kicking the can further down the same alley.
He needs to be pushing for electoral reform before even thinking about another party.
Scotland has a fair and intelligent system. Make it apply to UK elections.
100% The first past the post system definitely needs to be abolished. It's the primary reason the Tories were allowed to desolate our country, but that's a debate I've seen fail to come to fruition at least twice in my lifetime.
Creating this party addresses the more immediate threat of labour collapsing, with no real alternative for socialist minded voters. Some may choose to vote for green, but a lot would have likely abstained rather than continuing to vote these clowns in. This, provides an alternative, which if enough people sign on for, could provide the catalyst for change.
Once the ruling government is focused on social reform, then maybe we have a chance on sorting out the gerrymandered mess that is UK politics. But until then, I don't see Kiers lot even entertaining the notion, let alone changing the system.
If you have a vote in the English/Welsh Greens leadership election vote for Polanski then.
He's stated a willingness to work with this new party so they don't put forward candidates in the same seats and compete with each other. The other candidates have done no such thing and are greedily and delusionally running on the idea that they can convince enough people to vote Green that the Green party will be able to enact change on its own.
Labour are not left wing, that is evident from the last year.
The Lib Dems are not left wing and will sell their principles for a whiff of power.
A Polanski led Green Party working in tandem with the Corbyn/Sultana party (and possibly the SNP and Scottish Greens) is the only hope I see of the left enacting any serious change. One of the most important of which being proportional representation.
Starmer is not even left — he's properly into Tory spreadsheet economic algorithms.
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