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[–] 96 points 1 year ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I live in fear that someone in my house will connect the tv to the WiFi and an update will just absolutely fuck it up.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I have a smart TV. It is connected to two things. The wall socket for power and HDMI #2 for my PC.

    Edit: Also I have a PFSense router, I use PFBlockNG to also block the IPs behind the blocked DNS entries. My phone is GrapheneOS and all of my computers are GNU Linux. Any blocked incidents I get are usually from websites. If I surf the web a lot in a month, I maybe get 200 blocked incidents. If my normie friends stay over with, for example, a Windows PC and an iPhone, I get 2000 per day. It's wild what's going on with these devices.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They also take fingerprints of what your watching every few frames and get it out on corpo shadow mesh nets

    Anybody got an in to those corpo mesh nets BTW?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why does it feel like I fell into some Shadowrun Decker forum?!

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  • Because it's incredibly tacky cyberpunk that is simultaneously far too serious and incapable of taking itself remotely seriously, there's latent transphobia everywhere, especially among people claiming to be magic, all the tech that does anything you actually want it to is pretty explicitly based on magic, and there is absolutely comprehensively verifiably zero hope.

    (See meme downthread)

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  • [+] 36 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Mine ignores it and does its own DNS.

    Not even connecting these devices to the Internet.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Time to do the ol' firewall redirect for port 53

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Block it by MAC address at the router. That's the only way to know for sure.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    New TVs will connect to other smart TVs that have been connected to the Internet.

    You straight up have to pull their chips now if you really want to be sure.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the first I've heard of such a thing. Like TVs connecting to one another through Wifi Direct or BTLE and tethering their internet connection? Can you link to anything discussing this?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Hmm, I recall reading a couple articles about it a year or so ago but nothing is coming up in searches.

    I'm not sure if that means it was vaporware, misinformation, or coming soon to a Google TV near you. Anyone that's more familiar with network capabilities is free to correct me, but as far as I'm aware if your TV even has Bluetooth it's already capable of doing this at some level.

    Either way you'll catch a smart appliance in my house when I'm dead.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Randomized MAC addresses: Bonjour

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought government regulation would prevent that? I thought the whole point of a Mac address was a unique id for hardware

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Unique IDs are a privacy concern. Best you can tell by randomized MAC addresses is who the manufacturer of the device is and the type of device if you're lucky (like when the manufacturer's departments are internally split into separate companies), but that's not guaranteed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    At this time I'd like to shill for Sceptre. They make tvs and monitors that don't have all that stupid fucking "smart" features. I do not know of another brand that still makes dumb screens.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I bought a Sceptre TV as my first big purchase after graduating college and it's still kicking nearly ten years later. Sure the speakers died a few years ago and several buttons on the remote no longer work, but it sure isn't spying on me. And the picture quality is honestly not bad for what I paid

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    'pretend this is transparent' is sending me. Bra-fucking-vo!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Unplug your TV from the internet and plug the HDMI into a machine running Kodi or similar.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    If you've got the hardware capabilities, I just Read yesterday that Kodi supports CEC and can be used to control your DVD player or Set Top boxes that also support it IF you have it plugged into your CEC port.

    This means turning a raspberry pi into the best media access client there is for a TV takes like 20-40 minutes (install librelec, profit?)

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm waiting for these smart devices to come with their own mobile modems.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And/or some weird legislation that mandates connecting them to your home network. Because you wouldn't want them to not be able to phone home with the thousands of screenshots so their AI can verify that you are not stealing copyrighted content, right???!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "oops each one somehow malfunctioned and the registry id's were corrupted."

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In fascist America, believe it or not, straight to jail.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    it's fine. I don't have any smart appliances in my home.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I really hope that continues to be an option.

    I worry it’ll end up like trying to buy a car that doesn’t constantly report your location (physically disconnecting the cellular antenna is still legal for now) or living without a cellphone and only paying with cash. With enough time, any semblance of privacy becomes weird, then illegal.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    What is pi hole? I would love to dumbify my smart tv if possible..

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    OK, so whenever any device (e.g. your computer) wants to connect to a website (say, "wikipedia.org"), it tells your router that it wants to go to that website. Your router then sends what is called a "DNS Query" to some server, such as Google or Cloudflare, which takes the string of characters "wikipedia.org" and looks it up in their own dictionary of websites. In that listing, "wikipedia.org" will be linked to a specific IP address, which Google or Cloudflare then pass back to the router. Your router then connects the original device to that IP address, allowing your computer to get data from wikipedia.

    Now, modern devices make up to hundreds of these requests every second, so it's not like it's going to ask your permission for every single _one of them, right? Of course not. The problem, however, is that virtually every single proprietary app and piece of networked hardware nowadays is actively spying on you, by sending constant "telemetry", marketing, and ad-servicing requests to hundreds, or even thousands of different services every day.

    Pihole is a program that runs on a device (traditionally a raspberry pi, but could also be as simple as an old always-on tower computer or as complex as a self-hosted server). This device is connected to your internet, and what you do is you tell your router that the only place it's allowed to ask for DNS queries is your pihole device, rather than google or Cloudflare. Then you add blocklists, en masse, to your pihole, which takes every single DNS Query and checks it against the blocklists. If a DNS request isn't on the blocklists, it passes the request on to an actual DNS server, like Cloudflare, then gives the response back to the router, and the router is none-the-wiser. You get to see wikipedia. HOWEVER, if your device has the temerity, the absolute gall, to connect to any server on your blocklists? The pihole just... Doesn't pass on the message, and you get to choose whether the pihole actually sends your device a refusal, like "no, we won't be connecting to google ad services today, thank you" or if it just stays silent, not letting the blacklisted requests through, and just shredding the request every time it gets one for that unwanted site. Also, the pihole can keep a log of every single request made, both blocked and allowed, and keep tallies of the most-requested servers. It does this by default, but can easily be told to stop whenever you want.

    TooComplex;Didn'tUnderstand: imagine your local network is a medieval walled city. Whenever someone inside wants to communicate out, they send their letter to the post office, which sends a runner out of the city and returns with the response. A pihole acts as a guard at the city gate, taking every letter, checking the addressee to see if the city's magistrate is okay with sending information there. The guard has a long list of places letters aren't allowed to go, and they are very fast at their job. If the addressee isn't on their list, they send out their own soldier to take the letter themselves, rather than letting the post office runner go. If the addressee is on the blocklists, they either rip up the letter and send the runner back with their own, or they just rip up the letter and beat up the runner so they don't go crying back to the sender and narc. Its the magistrate's call how the guard handles it. Also, the guard keeps a list of every single letter that arrives at the gate, unless the magistrate tells them not to. The magistrate can peruse the list and tell the guard to allow or block any addressee on that list (or off of it) at any time.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Thanks for the comprehensive answer. I was hoping for something more like an alt-OS for the TV, so it doesn't ask for updates all the time or really do anything besides cast from a computer or console

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Ah, yeah, for that, just factory reset it, don't connect it to the internet on setup and use HDMI.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My wife likes to cast YouTube from her phone

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Could that work if you connect it to LAN but don't allow it to communicate outside of your network?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    You should be able to go into your router and block internet access for your tv, no additional hardware necessary. And it's more reliable than pi-hole since it'll block all internet access, even static ips, and no chance of a dns leak.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Buying old TV (as long as LED) or 2K resolution TV is still worth it for me because i don't like Android TV, Smart TV, or other crap and shits. For me a TV doesn't need to have that kind of features, if you want android just buy android tv box like NVIDIA Shield or Minix

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Couldn't you just buy a new, awesome TV and then not hook it up to the internet?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    It takes ages to boot, might have integrated offline ads, draws power when on standby for features you don't want like remote controllability via network, and it'll probably nag you forever to let it online. No thanks, a display will always just be that in this household. Separate concerns please, also easier to upgrade or replace.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I set up my Samsung give it its initial update, and then blocked it from internet at my firewall. If I need it to do something I unblock it for a few minutes and then block it again when I'm done. I use streaming sticks for all my other work and they're just pie holed regularly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    That's what I did with my brand new whatever-inch big fucking flatscreen. Like 80% of the buttons on the remote make a little notification come up saying the feature's missing since the TV wasn't set up "properly", but it works fine.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Best solution for these concerns in my opinion is

    • TV for presentation in companies (often without smart apps)
    • PiHole for blocking the most adds
    • SHIELD for the apps, like YouTube without adds, stream apps, emulators, etc

    Works like a charm for me, I did not see adds for month, maybe years. With the shield, I use SmartTube because I can login and don't have any adds. None. I also use an app for streaming (moonlight or something like that) to play my PC games on my tv with controller.

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  • [+] [S] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    SmartTube is, afaik, only for the Shield Devices and similar ddevices - so not really for Smartphones. Most of the time, it is great but for some reason I often get a network error message and the videos stop. So sometimes it's annoying. Haven't found a good solution yet

    For smartphones, you can still download ReVanced. When Vanced was closed, they started again with revanced and it works like a charm. It has all premium features (like background listening) and blocks adds, even sponsored or fillers. The problem is the download, if you ask me. Because there is an official webside, but the download starts after it redirected you to some suspicious add website...

    Alternatively, you can download NewPipe. If you don't care that you can't login, it's a perfect app. In my opinion, it's not really needed because you can save your profile (backup) and restore. It also blocks all the adds. Best app so far (IMO). It can be downloaded in the F Droid store.

    For YouTube music, a good alternative is Kreate. Also available in the FDroid store.

    If you have any further questions, ask me anything. Would be glad if I can help

    Edit: NouTube is also a good alternative to YouTube premium, but I'm not really happy with the app. My complains are about some details though, so generally speaking, it's worth a try

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    Helped me get a job, after the incident....

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I love my PI hole but it's needing a complete upgrade and a list rebuild. Damned thing is so reliable and solid I literally forget I'm running it. Things been up for over a year and not one issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Who cares? I use mine only as a (huge) screen for my laptop (soon to be replaced by a steam deck)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    We do a lot of streaming in my house unfortunately, mostly using Kodi to pirate anime. So it needs Wifi in our case. If I had some old (working) laptops and router around, I'd do a Pihole and VPN but alas.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Slap one of these under or behind your tv. Put pop-os Linux on it it. You can run pihole/Jellyfin/kodi off it at the same time. It will host your anime and index it with jellyfin, filter your entire network for ads, and give you kodi's excellent interface.

    Jellyfin can grab metadata/subtitles/autoskip intros/on and on and has native kodi integration. It will run better on a beefer PC than the one above, but if youre just using it on 1 tv with kodi, you should be fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, I've really wanted to self-host and do something like that, but I didn't wanna spend too much more money than I have (recently bought drives and a bay) and figured I'd use old/outdated/broken laptops to save money and be environmental, but I've been thwarted by proprietary chargers (an old Acer) and screens not turning on (a broken Mac). I'm a college student so I don't wanna drop my money too much in a month (gotta learn to budget somehow right?). Might ask my college IT if they've got old shit around instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Using castoff hardware is a classic first homelab setup. You dont need an actual server to setup a homelab either. Old desktops do the job well enough. I personally run a cluster of 3 of the small desktops i recommend in my last comment, if slightly beefer models. They work great. This site keeps a comprehensive list.

    If you're looling for next steps, this is a great general guide. Id personally recommend proxmox of the options he lists. Its a hypervisor that will let you slice up your physical server into virtual machines, letting you split out services like a pihole/*arr stack/jellyfin/kodi in a very sane way.

    Linuxserver.io has a huge list of services that you can host with containers inside those virtual machines.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I never plan on replacing my commercial display. when it breaks, i won't care. don't watch tv or movies anyways. it's all garbage

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I have an old raspberry Pi (512 mB one...maybe? It's been a while since I hooked it up). Does anyone have a good guide to follow on setting up a pi hole?

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  • Can someone please ELI5 why I should get a pihole and not just set up Surfshark or similar VPN on my router?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Open in gimp, lasso tool, delete. It's not that hard.

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