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[–] 17 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

Google would legally separate Chrome into a foundation, retaining ultimate ownership and intellectual property rights and give Ecosia operational responsibility for 10 years, Ecosia said.

Eh... uhh... does Ecosia even have the ability to maintain such a large and complicated code base?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Chromium is open source, so they'd only need to steward the Google parts of Chrome. I can't speak to the size of that codebase, but given that it's just the part that makes it shitty, and Google would no longer be in control, that could be significantly pruned.

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    [–] 73 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That sounds clever. With a stewardship, a company without the obscene wealth that Google has could actually adopt a project normally out of their reach and influence it for good.

    I wish the article went into more detail though.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This helps for context: https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/21/ecosia-has-offered-to-take-stewardship-of-chrome-and-its-not-a-bad-idea/

    TLDR; If the lawsuit goes bad, and Google is forced to sell Chrome, it's a way for them to retain ownership while working with an existing partner to overcome the monopoly ruling.

    Still a win win in my book.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    We can't just get an open standard because corpos will attack it or try to take ownership.

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  • [–] [B] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As long as it's not Denethor, the Steward of Gondor, it should fine.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That seems like such an odd offer. What does "stewardship" even entail?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Seems like it allows a non profit to assume control of a company without having to pay out funds to actually purchase it. They apparently have to reinvest all profits back into the company rather than directly benefiting from it. Though the article does mention under the proposal, some unspecified portion of Chrome profits would go toward 'climate action', so there's some vague positive out of it.

    Seems like it would be pretty great honestly, so I can't imagine it'll be accepted.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I suppose "proposal" here means proposal to some government, not to Google, and then the question is whether it's going to be like Russia's "Vkusno i Tochka" in place of McDonalds. Because, ahem, maintaining Chrome is not that easy.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I'm looking forward to the Ecosia AI being implemented in Google Chrome so I can continue to boycott both companies.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    What are your resons to boycott ecosia?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I don't accept AI implementation as a green product, and when the "green AI" they advertise is a special, low complexity opt-IN model I feel like I'm being bamboozled on two separate levels.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Your comment reads as if you don't want them to offer AI, but if they do offer it then you want it to be either Opt-out or no opt out, and that you would prefer it to be a resource hungry AI at that. Is that what you meant to say? Because otherwise I don't understand.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They could offer AI served off of a single RaspberryPi3 powered by a 2 gigawatt solar installation and the anti-AI crowd would find some other angle to attack it. The goal is to get people to think 'AI Bad', not any of the other strawmen that they stand up.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nonsense. I run my own home hosted Ollama AI server 24/7. But I don't claim it to be green tech in any way. Talk about strawman, I don't see any claims regarding the worth of AI, perhaps I missed it?

    Fun fact, smaller model LLMs can run on Pi5 at not untolerable speed. Could work on solar I suppose.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You're focusing on their use of AI, and that doesn't make sense. AI is a technology that exists. Search engines and RAG is one of the better ways to use it. They are a search engine, why would they not use it?

    They've planted over 200 million trees, produce twice as much energy than they consume and have given over €90 million to green causes. They're a non-profit company that gives 100% of their profits towards green initiatives, planting trees and investing in solar. It's hardly greenwashing.

    What does the power usage of their search engine services matter if they're producing more energy than they consume? Your complaint just doesn't make sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You’re focusing on their use of AI

    No, I'm focusing on the hypocrisy of calling it green. A lot of other people are focusing on the AI tech though.

    They’re a non-profit company that gives 100% of their profits

    That's not how non-profit profits work. 100% of the surplus might be invested in green causes but that's after operating costs, salaries and a plethora of minor expense posts are handled using their profit/income.

    It’s hardly greenwashing.

    If legitimizing polluting technology by saying we're doing such a great job at combating pollution isn't green washing, perhaps I've misunderstood the term? It was certainly used against the billionaires flying to climate conferences, their argument was that they did such an important job for the environment that they should be able to fly private jets to the meetings. Others called it a green washing of their personal travel arrangements.

    Your complaint just doesn’t make sense.

    That's OK, I'm not too bothered about being understood by every single person I come in contact with. Sometimes the divide between worldviews is simply too big to try to bridge.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That’s not how non-profit profits work. 100% of the surplus might be invested in green causes but that’s after operating costs, salaries and a plethora of minor expense posts are handled using their profit/income.

    It is a fact that the company is registered as a non-profit.

    Being a non-profit means that the owners of the company can collect a salary but cannot collect profits(income in excess of operating expenses). The owners of the company cannot collect profit, it is a non-profit company.

    All of the income, in excess of expenses (aka profit) is given to charitable causes. If it were a for-profit company, the all of the income in excess of expenses (aka profit) would be divided amongst the owners and shareholders.

    Every non-profit company in every western country has operating expenses including salaries. Unless you’re trying to say that non-profits don’t exist, then this argument is also nonsense.

    If legitimizing polluting technology by saying we’re doing such a great job at combating pollution isn’t green washing, perhaps I’ve misunderstood the term?

    A private jet is polluting technology because it directly generates tons of carbon in order to operate. It is used in place of other transportation methods which would generate less carbon

    How is AI polluting technology?

    Just declaring it is polluting doesn’t make it true. A computer takes in electricity and emits heat and data.

    This company generates twice as much renewable energy as they consume. They also plant trees (over 200 million) which capture carbon, reduce aridification and increase rainfall. The net result is that this non-profit adds, carbon free, electricity to the grid, increases carbon capture and storage and adds water to the hydrological cycle.

    Sometimes the divide between worldviews is simply too big to try to bridge.

    That’s often the case when you consume misinformation.

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    Ecosia is actualy pretty cool since they use their search engine profits to plant trees (like 150+ million so far) so this would be an interesting direction for Chrome.

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