Remember when they claimed that they killed 9000 hamas militant in 3 months?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-war-goals-unachieved-1.7087509

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[–] 118 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

Note that this means "83% of people killed were civilians", not that 83% of civilians were killed. As the graph in the article illustrates, that puts this neck and neck with other recent genocides:

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Notably, Hamas on Oct 7 killed two civilians for every military casualty. By the IDF's own numbers, the IDF are literally greater terrorists than Hamas. Hamas literally does a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the IDF does.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you qualify military targets the way the IDF does then Hamas killed over 90% military targets on october 7.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago*

    And we'll likely never know how many civilians/soldiers were killed by Israel issuing the Hannibal Directive on October 7th. Something we do know they issued that day.

    Yes. Israel has a protocol that says "killing/harming our own people is preferred to them being kidnapped".

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    95% civilians of mariupol? Holy fuck

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, that's the result of Russia "liberating" a city. I'm surprised Grozny doesn't show up here - enough civilians got away, I guess. The city itself was completely obliterated.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yup. This is why I had to ban someone posting Russian propaganda from a Pro-Russia Mariupol Youtube channel.

    "Look how much better things are with Russia instead of Ukraine!" bullshit.

    https://neweasterneurope.eu/2024/07/15/how-youtube-helps-russia-share-how-great-it-is-in-raw-and-subtle-ways/

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    you should ban zionists who deny the genocide that killed 85% of civilians too

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I absolutely do, but that doesn't come up as often. Most often it's the anti-zionists advocating murder, death, and destruction.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have reported guys talking about how palestinians voted for hamas or denying occupation

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately, Palestinians DID vote for Hamas. That on it's own is not removable.

    It ignores the larger context of WHY they voted for Hamas, a decade of Israeli abuses going back to the 90s and treating the previous elected party (PLO) as terrorists and not a legitimate government, but it doesn't change the fact that Hamas were elected.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Every single major news publisher trying their hardest to call this a war and not a genocide.

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think whomever is modding here today deserves a beer or three.

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  • [–] [M] 9 points 1 year ago*

    We're actually doing OK. Fortunately the tools to ban users and remove their bullshit is like, 2 clicks, total.

    That being said, they've created a bunch of accounts with 8,000+ posts soooo... like 12 clicks? LOL.

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  • These people are such a murderous bunch of worthless jackasses that I lost faith in humanity. I mean they let a lot of Nazi and Imperial Japanese criminals live because they were 'valuable' and were needed to run the bureaucracy... zionist shitheads have no use. They higher level ones need to be executed and all the lower level ones imprisoned and forced to work to rebuild what they destroyed for the rest of their damned lives.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Those 9000 Hamas militants were collateral damage

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    oh dear, it seems like just a few commenters made a mess of this thread. my question is: which ones were real people, and which ones were just bots?

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  • [–] [M] 7 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It's one real person using scripts to create accounts and flood the channel.

    We ban them as soon as the accounts are created but sometimes the comments still federate.

    We're on it. If you see them, block them, and that will clean up the comment thread.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    isreal wants the palestinian civillians to leave the area.

    does that happen if isreal is very careful and avoids harming civillians and its pretty safe for civillians even if they stay?

    or if the civillians know they risk being horrifically and indiscriminately massacred if they stay?

    they get international hate for their actions; they also get what they want.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Would have been nice to have a discussion on this.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For real.

    I came here looking to avoid the censorship of Reddit.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    International rules for me, not for thee.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Israel is commiting mass murder, genocide, backed by USA.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    anything isreal says is a lie. you cant trust the words of a nation that is dropping the bombs and killing the civilians to give honest reports and data. isreal is the devil nation of this decade.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There is no political solution and now many Americans are looking towards radical solutions that offer at least a stable income

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well did they get Hamas ? /s

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    Sure is a good thing we didn't put those gEnOcIdAl Democrats in office, huh?

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  • [–] [S] 46 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Have some respect for palestinians getting genocidal instead of defending the two cultist parties. Condemn israel instead and keep boycotting it

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Like Nougat, I have enough respect and logic to be able to distinguish the Greater from the Lesser Poison for Palestinians in what was a binary choice.

    More frankly: Anyone who espoused couch-sitting and MUh boTH sIdEz false equivalence fallacies are complicit in Israel's genocide because any rational person could see Israel would be more constrained by Democrats, while Bibi and AIPAC obviously preferred Trump and Republicans winning.

    Also, this isn't to mention they're complicit in worsening Russia's attempted genocide in Ukraine.

    Edit: Very stable folks replying, lol.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    While you guys cry about your cult losing to the other cult . Other people keep fighting ,protesting, boycotting etc. You guys have zero respect you are just cultists

    Rational people know that the billions of dollars that Israel get from the USA is that enabling the genocide. Only fools would believe that democrats would have stopped it. Only fools would think that dems and republicans would have constrained israel.

    Netanyahu is a snake he thanked both Trump and Biden when it suited him. Netanyahu supported trump vocally more because it would create an illusion of change

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    lol none of this changes what I already wrote whatsoever. I can rest my case here if nothing substantive to add. Blood on your hands as you dream of this magical fairy-tale land of a 3rd viable option.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago

    Blood on the hand of democrats and republicans who vote for aipac candidates that send billions to israel, financing their genocide while the USA keep getting worse. If all third party voters voted for Harris she would still lost.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There's no fucking cult here, dude. It's called logic and rationality.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Logic say if you vote for parties that gives billions to israel you are complicit. Nobody give a famn about your excuses. Keep crying about trump instead of fighting him

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Odds are high this is being brigaded by tankies or far-right astroturfers. They truly do Bibi proud by enabling his favorite pick in the White House while trying to sow defeatism and apathy while giving no constructive pragmatic alternative solution.

    Edit: Case-in-point. This person is programmed to wedge-drive Democrats while ignoring the elephant in the room, the bigger fish — the PRIMARY choice of Netanyahu. Objective bystanders take note the obvious fact that genocide is no simply boolean but a gradient, and MORE people not LESS will die under Trump. Instead, they were wasting time promoting mUh BoTh SiDeS False Equivalence logical fallacies, lapping up the Russian and AIPAC kool-aid and playing right into their hands. Bibi and Trump thank you for your service.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Defeatism is people like you who still cry about Harris losing instead of fighting him and keep promoting protests and BDS. You didn't have even enough self respect to call out Israel atrocities and mourning the dead Palestinians

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This genocide would also be happening if Harris was president, nothing has changed.

    The only difference would be that every Democrat would be supporting the genocide in lock step, rather than what's happening now with Democrats finally speaking out.

    Trump brings out the best in Democrats.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What part of Harris' platform leads you to believe she would have done anything different? Because her entire platform was keeping things the same and advocating for Israel's "right to defend itself". She was just as genocidal as the next candidate.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Trump entered office under a Biden negotiated ceasefire. Trump then told Netenyahu to go ahead and ignore the ceasefire.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago

    The cease fire was always an illusion, israel is determined to do it's final solution and they are no reason to stop because the usa regardless of who is the president gives billions to iarael and provide diplomatic protection

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Absolute fucking madness. Not even worth engaging at this point. Yeah dude Kamala would be talking about building luxury hotels on the rubble of Gaza.

    Unless you're a literal child, and 2024 was not only your first election, but the first time you've paid attention to any of it, then you've got no excuse (beyond attempting to absolve yourself from the guilt you feel deep down).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    Here's the crux of the difference of opinion: No, Pres. Harris would not have been talking about luxury hotels on the rubble of Gaza. Israel, however, has been talking about it for years. The U.S. President has very little influence over Israeli intentions, and whether the U.S. President talks about it sounds like an objection based on style rather than substance.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Israel did this. Already have cancer.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Without your two cultist parties giving billions to Israel yearly Israel would have collapsed several decades ago and would have been forced to end occupation

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The history of US support to Israel is one of dribs and drabs increasing over time, until we're kind of stuck where we are today. US military aid to Israel is supposed to be for defensive purposes; what the Israeli government does with that aid is their responsibility.

    My earlier comment was my own reflection (again) on the pre-US-2024-election drumbeat about Democrats "supporting genocide" which so suddenly went away right after the election. That was never about stopping or protesting genocide; it was manipulating an election for fascists.

    Would it be a good thing for the US to stop sending that aid, in light of what Israel is doing to Gaza? Absolutely. Is there a snowball's chance in hell that's going to happen with the current administration in the US? Nope. That's not to say that it would be likely with a Democratic administration. There are a whole lot of longstanding and overlapping military aid agreements in place. But it would be possible.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Oh look, a thoughtful, nuanced understanding of foreign affairs. Surely it'll be met with reason.

    Oh wait, never mind, these people think Kamala Harris would have been just as bad as Trump. There's no reasoning with that.

    Edit: maybe if you're spam the same comment literally 500 times. Why don't you go ahead and try that... Oh you already did.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah someone is currently having a hissy fit about it. Funny how they always blame Democrats and never blame Republicans (unless they get lumped in with bOtH sIdEs)..

    Fascists gonna fasc.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago

    I don't give a damn about your american excuses . You had almost 2 centuries to change a two party system into a multiparty system. You decided to be ok with the status quo . You kept switching between the two cults till the worse of the worse won. You are like someone who fail to get a job, make zero effort to change it then wonder why he is still jobless.

    Just justifying giving defensive to a country insteal of using that money to improve your own life make you complicit. America shouldn't a dingle dime to isrsel just like they wouldn't give money and defensive system to Nazis

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought you didn't care about "[American] partisan politics". Are you suggesting that the genocide is over, because it's not. There's also been a lot going on since May 22.

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