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[–] 79 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It's £165/yr for 27 more hp.......27hp. Jesus fuck is that insulting.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Even more so when you understand the car already has it... so they take it away just to make you pay for it

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Every car has more HP than you get. Cars are tuned to be as reliable as possible in every condition with a variety of fuel qualities. That is why you see test vehicles on the road, they are gathering data to refine the engine tuning.

    That is why you can tune as car and get more HP or even to make them more efficient without changing a single part.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Yes, but in this instance are they just changing the tuning of the car or did they litterally just make your car worse to charge you for it? And call it an upgrade?

    Edit: this sounds like they want to charge you for sport mode... which is basically on all newer cars... either way its pretty trashy move

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But a subscription? That's more akin to saying we'll send someone to de-tune the car you've had tuned unless you pay us protection money monthly.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Its also available as a one time lifetime payment.

    I had a Volvo V70 that I could get an extra 30hp for $2000 through the factory supported polestar tune... I decided not to because I couldnt try before I bought. If I could have bought it for a month then decided I probably would have.

    The Lemmy community is outraged by this, car enthusiasts just see this as business as usual.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not only that but recent lineups from a lot of manufacturers have 95% of the same power train including essential parts, and loads of different models with different tunes. The lowest trim BMW 1 series from a few years ago can be tuned to 200 HP without any mods… it's illegal in a lot of places, it doesn't stop people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What's more egregious about this to me is that you're required to maintain the subscription for what amounts to a one time firmware change.

    ECU tuning isn't something that's going to need constant improvements and updates like your typical software product where companies can somewhat justify continued development costs. The engine and transmission are what they are from the factory and unless VW is going to send you a bigger turbo or other performance part, your tune shouldn't need to change past the initial improvement from stock.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago

    Own nothing, pay everything. This bs subscription models for everything need to die. And people who thought about them along with them.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You wouldn't download more ponies...

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's pretty much inevitable that someone will figure out how to jailbreak that car. When that happens, you could just download an unofficial patch, get rid of those BS restrictions, and unlock the full potential. Might be also wise to disable whatever wireless communication hardware came with the car. Like, disconnect the antenna or whatever.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • That’s a good point. If it voids the warranty, most people won’t install a patch like that. However, that hasn’t stopped talented hackers from looking for exploits, glitches and vulnerabilities. Obviously, there’s a way in, and someone will find it even if it voids their warranty.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I bought my car one of the first brands I decided against was Mercedes due to their subscription model for their electric car.

    VW going for subscription is a surefire way to give Chinese car manufacturers an even bigger part of the market. So, so short sighted

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If buying isn't owning then stealing a car isn't actually stealing

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hope companies eventually figure out people just aren't that stupid. Also, I really hope that people aren't that stupid.

    On a positive note, this could be the push that America needs to get serious about mass transit.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    people can choose to pay £649 for a lifetime subscription.

    inb4 they introduce tiers.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    "Historically many petrol and diesel vehicles have been offered with engines of the same size, but with the possibility of choosing one with more potency," they said.

    Lol yeah, with ECU tuning from a third party, you assholes just had a board meeting and realized you could turn it into a subscription and then all came on the table and licked it up

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What fools.

    Do this and within 6 weeks there will be a YT video of a guy worth a crazy accent jailbreaking the car's hidden hp. Probably with a $2 thing you can buy online.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Nah you'll need a $300 VCDS (or rent a legit one somewhere like eBay)...or at least a $20 AliExpress clone and a burner laptop/windows VM to plug it into.

    More likely, your friendly neighborhood VW enthusiast, or your introverted-but-adderalled-VW-driving-nerd-slash-aliexpress-enthusiest (ahem) will do it for $50 bucks and half a blunt.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago
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    Sold my Golf R a while back. Wasn’t planning on buying another VW, but this is the nail in that coffin.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do. Not. Subscribe. To. Things.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm wondering if this in part has to do with hitting average efficiency targets. By nerfing this car for most users, who won't really care or notice the difference in urban driving, they carve out more tollerance for lower efficiency in their SUVs/ICE cars while still hitting the average efficiency spec that gives them some government incentives and marketing opportunities. $700/car for a lifetime subscription is not a huge economic motivator in the scheme of things.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I was thinking the issue maybe nuanced like this as well.

    It's also possible that a higher performance significantly increases wear and tear and to keep the warranty activated Volkswagen trades a bit more cash in return for unlocking some of the limitations.

    That being said I didn't read the article so don't really know. And I really hate the idea of paying subscriptions for things we already own, especially because it feels like we don't own anything anymore.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Friendly reminder. VW was founded by the nazis as a nazi car.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Still not the most nazi electric car out there..

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    Welcome to my shit list VW.

    ...shit companies I'm now boycotting.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    So: time for a reassertion of right of first sale for cars, along with right to repair.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Rate of profit seems to be going to shit.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No one's paying for something they don't get to own outright.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You mean like the Nintendo Switch 2, or any iPhone ever, both of which you can only use if the manufacturer allows you to?

    Nobody reads the fine print on anything. I don't own my phone, my movies, my music, my gaming console, my games, my car, nothing at all and yet I've payed for access to all of the above.

    Welcome to terminal stage capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    No you're just too lazy to realize what you can jailbreak or download, and align your purchases withthat ethos.

    I own all my hardware and can pirate just about anything. Get on the right team.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The "I" here is meant to represent the average consumer, who will die never knowing what lemmy is or what a torrent is.

    I am on the team, but it's a very, very small team and it'll remain that way until there's money to be made or a cataclysmic systemic revolution brings order to corporate chaos.

    You can't fix capitalism with Linux and tor, you need guillotines for that.

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  • A brand that repeatedly ensures that I will never buy from them.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    As much as we should hate Tesla, in 2019, they increased the Model 3’s power FOR FREE. I was at 5.2 seconds 0-60, and that was a free update to 4.9s 0-60. I didn’t even have the AWD or performance model. They figured out how to make the motors better and just gave it to everyone. Why isn’t VW doing the same? Fucking greed.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I already hate how much tech is in my 2020 model. I'm going to drive the thing into the ground.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The company that lied to its customers about fuel immissions and did it for years is going to screw us again with this. Fawk VW and its Nazi engineering!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    While I don't care for VW, I think it is a bit much to call them Nazi. That world has been watered down way to much already and should be used when it makes sense. VW can be a shitty company without being Nazi.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    it's somewhat overdramatic to call VW of today a Nazi company, but not completely baseless.

    They originated as the people's car - it's what Volkswagen literally means. The original beetle was the result of the Nazi government's requirement for a German-built car that was accessible to the people i.e. white, German people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    It was founded by the German Labor Front, a literal Nazi organization, in 1937. Now, it's been a long time since WWII, and I'm sure their corporate culture has changed significantly, but calling them a Nazi company is accurate. More accurate to say they're a company with Nazi roots, to be sure.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Aarrrr matey, I'm sure a good pirate will be able to fix your engine troubles...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    While I hate subscription models, this essentially is a tax on poor fuel consumptions. I like that.

    Next we need a frequent driver and frequent flyer tax too

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