Just looked it up - CCW stands for "concealed carry weapon", so this was a gun class.
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I mean his buttons might pop off.
I worked with someone who was an NRA certified instructor, competitive shooter, and all around badass.
She hated these chuds in class because they weren’t just idiots who made things unsafe, but they were also misogynists who wouldn’t listen to her instructions.
who wouldn’t listen to her instructions.
Sounds like some people should fail the class if they can't/won't follow simple instructions
Sounds like the camo clad, face painted, Rambo knife holding guides on some nature trails/ glamping grounds.
I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but where I live, CC classes don't even have guns and you don't shoot. It's all about instructed safety and such.
In Lesser Carolina the teacher is fully armed with multiple concealed guns to show all the ways to conceal. After the classroom session you head out to the range to get tested on marksmanship at different distances.
My class in Wisconsin was this way as well. The classroom portion focused heavily on trying to avoid needing to use your gun, but if you have to, do these things.
Mine in Minnesota was the same way. They have to verify that you can comptently use a firearm before they give you the concealed carry permit.
Honestly I'd prefer that sorta. Here you get your CC without ever touching a gun, but when I first shot pistols and rifles it was nothing like I expected.
I also quickly learned I'm a terrible aim, so in self defense would likely need to go with a shotgun or something...
I bet you this guy also has Nazi flag
He has 1-3 of the following:
- Nazi flag
- Gadsden flag
- Confederate battle flag
Idk this picture is so old that I don't think we were in the fascist resurgence yet.
And they’d give him the permit.
Gotta shield all that chub
Just tell everyone you have a small penis. It's much easier than putting on your hockey gear every morning.
You'd think that, but you'd be surprised how few people want to hear that at 7:30 in the morning on the bus.
If his goal is to try and get people not to mess with him it works for me. I want to get ten feet away from this picture!
I would find it hilarious to wear something similar just to troll.* I would also loudly interrupt the instructor every time they start going off on their tangential, 'really experienced themselves,' stories about how if they'd been ready to handle things like I was, they wouldn't have had the experience with their gun that they had.
*I've been to some of these classes. They are almost universally taught by someone with a mentality probably exactly along the lines of the dude pictured, but with some social awareness that told them people would be watching them too closely... and they love to tell 'their' stories about when they had to use or display their gun. I always did the smart thing and kept my head down and try to ignore the rednecks/tacticool operators fantasizing about shooting whatever flavor of humanity they looked down on.
If you are dressed like that are you really trying to conceal anything other than you tiny amount of confidence?
If I see that guy walking down the street I know he is so scared of being not taken seriously that he is going to be pulling out his gun at the sound of a loud muffler.
Is he harming anyone by dressing like that? No, he isn’t - so why shame him for it? Let people do their thing. It’s bullies like this that make everyone so worried about what others think, to the point they can’t freely be themselves.
If you wouldn’t shame a guy for wearing a dress, then you shouldn’t shame one for dressing like a mall ninja either.
This is a safety training session, it's inappropriate to wear tactical stuff like you're going to get in a fight.
Looking at him, I’d say there’s a high likelihood he’s autistic. We’re generally not the best at judging what’s “appropriate” in a social setting. There’s nothing wrong with going up and telling him directly, but shaming isn’t helpful - especially when it’s done behind his back.
Looking at him? Autistic? From a picture? Get real lol
Why are you bending over backwards to defend this shit? It's bizarre...
When people (usually disingenuously) harp on about "mental health funding" after some mass shooting event, this is the shit they're supposedly talking about. These are the people we are supposed to be flagging before they get the go ahead to fucking conceal carry.
It's not a joke, giving this guy guns could literally mean life or death for people. I think it's OK to maybe be extra cautious when it comes to weapons designed to end human life. But that's just me.
Why are you bending over backwards to defend this shit? It’s bizarre…
Because I'm willing to stand behind my principles even when the entire mob is against me. If there's one thing I despise in this world, it's bullies, and that's what I'm calling you all out on. All you have seen is one picture and you've decided that he's a future school shooter and a nazi. That is absolutely ridiculous leap to make. For all I know he could be a perfectly decent human being with severe case of lack of situational awareness and social norms. I'm however willing to grant him the benefit of the doubt and defend him from the blood thirsty mob even at my personal expense because I think it's the right thing to do.
Sometimes it's good to re-evaluate those beliefs in light of new arguments that maybe you hadn't considered. Nobody is going to judge you here, it's ok to change your mind.
There's a lot of research showing a link between autism and mass shootings. It's not a cause, but there's a link
I'm not judging him for the outfit, really, I'm judging him for the attitude. His outfit just so happens to directly telegraph his attitude. If I saw a person wearing a dress that said "I like to fuck kids" I would judge that person for that.
He's clearly, at best, extremely paranoid and shouldn't be given a weapon.
If you wouldn’t shame a guy for wearing a dress, then you shouldn’t shame one for dressing like a mall ninja either.
A disingenous comparison. It is almost like these are two completely different things with different contexts. Of course we should shame this potential mass shooter for this.
This is the exact same logic people use to paint trans people as perverts or potential rapists - not because of anything they’ve done, but because of the stereotypes their appearance triggers in others. You’re just doing mental gymnastics to deal with the cognitive dissonance of holding two conflicting views at the same time.
You can tell things about people by the way they dress and the way they look in general. This guy's decision to dress like that screams that he's going to pull a gun when there is no need to. You know this, but you're doing mental gymnastics trying to deny it because of trans people being persecuted by morons.
No, you can’t tell - you’re making assumptions. That’s exactly the same logic people use to justify shaming trans people, Muslims, or anyone else who “looks” like a stereotype they fear. Everyone convinces themselves their stereotype is the special exception. If you’re okay with that logic here, then you’ve basically conceded that appearance alone is fair grounds for public shaming across the board.
And the ratio of people dressing like this to actual mass shooters is so vanishingly small that your assumption is going to be wrong virtually every single time.
Yes these are assumptions and yes there's always exceptions. For example, this could be a publicity stunt, maybe he was taking the piss. But this case here is not the same as making generalizations about groups of people based on looks. It's not the same as thinking that because someone is dark skinned and has a beard they're a terrorist. There are different kinds of conclusions one can relatively safely reach based on outside appearance. For example, if you see someone with cauliflower ears you can safely assume that they engage in some sort of wrestling, jiu jitsu martial arts sort of thing and conversely it might be a good idea not to initiate a physical confrontation.
My point is, drawing conclusions and forming a rough profile of someone based on looks is a natural process and one should not shut it down. Just keep an open mind at all times.
This particular guy in the picture is not profiled based on gender, nationality etc. It's the context of the class subject and the very particular attire that make people jittery. Not saying don't give him the benefit of a doubt, but I do think you can pretty safely assume that he is probably not the most responsible person to give a lethal weapon to. That's all.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that. You can make educated guesses about people based on appearance - it won’t always be right, but it’s not something to ignore either. At most, it’s grounds for suspicion, not for treating those assumptions as fact. To me it seems far more likely this guy is just socially awkward and thinks he looks cool or badass. I wouldn’t feel comfortable making fun of him for that - it just feels mean.
Fair enough, but this is not about making fun of him, it's about giving him a gun or not...
Edit: love a level headed discussion btw, kudos! It's so rare these days, people just downvote instead...
Yeah, well, I’m from a country where concealed carry permits don’t even exist. The only people with guns are basically the police, military and hunters. If someone showed up dressed like that to apply for a gun permit here, I’d personally see it as a huge red flag. But I have different standards for the US, where things are already quite different to begin with.
I enjoy a good sparring session too. It’s nothing personal - it’s just a shame so many people take it that way.
Yeah no, this isn't fucking laser tag, we're talking about weapons of war designed to kill human beings. People like this need to be kept as far away from them as possible.
idk, it's generally good to be ready for shit poppin off
Plastic elbow guards aren't effective against bullets
Who's talking about bullets? He specifically mentioned shit. Probably monkeys flinging shit? Dire situation.
My plastic elbow guards were effective in iraq. Mine were used for diving for cover though and i actually needed them. Also i took them off when i came back in the wire because it’s really fucking annoying wearing something that you constantly have to readjust since they always fall down.
Plus, sweating like a fountain because it cinches your clothes down around your leg, cutting off the airflow.
4-time deployer here (2x OIF, 2x OEF). Never saw anyone using the elbow pads and never used them myself when going on patrol. My second deployment the unit made them mandatory (4th BCT, 3rd ID) starting with the trainup, and we still ditched them almost immediately as soon as we got to the range. They stopped trying to enforce it pretty quickly.
They were bad for circulation, especially in the heat, and made it harder to shoot from any supported position. Never had to "dive for cover" while wearing them. Just an extra piece of gear that was more trouble than it was worth.
I deployed in '03. we did dumb shit at the beginning of the war. Thanks for the downvote just because your experience was different.
There's no reason to complain about downvotes or upvotes. It really doesn't matter.
I was in OIF 1 (April 2003-March 2004) and didn't downvote you so...
ETA: 4 ID, including supporting 4-42 FA when we pulled security for the high speed guys when they caught Saddam in Ad Dawr in December


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