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[–] [S] 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Explanation: Caesar was a notorious adulterer who had numerous affairs with aristocratic women, including at least two queens. His own soldiers called him a "bald adulterer", and his political enemies referred to him as "Every woman's man and every man's woman" (bicon Caesar!).

His affair with the Egyptian queen Cleopatra resulted in Cleopatra later coming to the city of Rome - with a child in tow she claimed was his! He does not appear to have been put off by this, and received her and the child courteously, hosting them both at Rome in comfortably aristocratic fashion.

This serial adultery does not actually appear to have seriously impaired his relationship with his third wife, Calpurnia, who remained affectionate and fond of him. What a silver-tongued devil Caesar must have been!

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This serial adultery does not actually appear to have seriously impaired his relationship with his third wife, Calpurnia, who remained affectionate and fond of him. What a silver-tongued devil Caesar must have been!

    I guess once you've seen him cheat on the other two wives, still choose to marry him, then see him cheat on you as well, you gotta have seen this coming.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I imagine there must've been an angle of "men away at war have needs" for many women like Calpurnia

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    Perhaps to some degree, but at least in Caesar's case, he was also a philanderer inside of the city of Rome. Notably, he carried on a lifelong affair with the Roman aristocrat Servilia (the half-sister of his inveterate enemy Cato the Younger), and, later in life, her daughter Tertia as well.

    Sometimes it seems like there wasn't anyone in Rome Caesar hadn't slept with at some point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    While a man could only take one wife (at a time) under Roman law, most people of higher status were pretty much expected to be sleeping around with concubines, slaves, or just friends... The men and the women. We're talking about the civilization that gave us the orgy.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago

    I mean, orgies predate Rome.

    Concubinage in Rome was actually not recognized except for unmarried folk, and then concubinage was still a (legally) monogamous contract that did not acknowledge one man with multiple concubines, while a man sleeping with his male friends would have been frowned upon - because a friendship is founded between equals, while Romans saw sexual penetration as inherently involving the domination of one party over the other. Sleep with actors and male prostitutes, like a decent citizen!

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    [–] [S] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Explanation: Caesar was a notorious adulterer who had numerous affairs with aristocratic women, including at least two queens. His own soldiers called him a "bald adulterer", and his political enemies referred to him as "Every woman's man and every man's woman" (bicon Caesar!).

    His affair with the Egyptian queen Cleopatra resulted in Cleopatra later coming to the city of Rome - with a child in tow she claimed was his! He does not appear to have been put off by this, and received her and the child courteously, hosting them both at Rome in comfortably aristocratic fashion.

    This serial adultery does not actually appear to have seriously impaired his relationship with his third wife, Calpurnia, who remained affectionate and fond of him. What a silver-tongued devil Caesar must have been!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This serial adultery does not actually appear to have seriously impaired his relationship with his third wife, Calpurnia, who remained affectionate and fond of him. What a silver-tongued devil Caesar must have been!

    Polyamorous Ceasar and Calpurnia confirmed?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Open relationship hours!

    Men were afforded much more leeway in adultery, but during the Late Republic, adultery amongst married men and married women alike was rampant. It appears to have been, at least partially, a matter of discretion and respect - a woman who carried on an affair or even several affairs could maintain both marriage and social position, so long as the affair was not an offense to her husband's dignity (ie by carrying on with someone filthy and low, like a BARBARIAN or a POOR) or too in-the-public-eye. There were not strong religious norms of sexual chastity in Roman society, which helped considerably.

    That being said, Caesar did divorce his second wife over accusations of adultery, saying "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." This was literal months after the 'suspicious' incident, though, and only after it turned into a massive political scandal, so there is certainly the urge to see it as a cynical move rather than genuine offense. That and Caesar was not close to his second wife, unlike his first wife (whom he defied a dictator's order to divorce, almost getting himself killed in the process) or his third wife.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This aspect of Roman society cracks me up. You could do whatever and it was fine, as long as you did a decent enough attempt to hide it, even if everyone knew and you knew that they knew.

    Just like emperors not calling themselves "king" even though they were kings in pretty much all things that mattered. But let's just dance around the word, nobody will notice!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm sure the ice cream scoop has some ancient geopolitical significance.

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