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[–] 81 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

“We dOn’t hAvE ThE ReSoUrCeS To fEeD AnD HoUsE EvErYoNe!!1”

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    And the billionaire class could pay for it all without even noticing the expense; their refusal to do so is strictly due to their twisted "ethics" preventing them from "rewarding" the "lazy." 😡

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Right? Stop flinging nerds into space and start feeding the hungry.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    No we house people on the moon. If there was an actual colony on the moon I would 100% go there. Earth sucks, it's got all this pointless outside that I never use.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Disagree, we as a nation put a small percentage of our resources into space exploration just for the sake of a dick measuring contest with another nation.

    We could absolutely end poverty.

    Of course I think we could have both, but what's the point of putting a man on the moon if your citizens can't even afford access to healthcare

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Again, unrelated.

    I mean, you as a country put some money on parades and libraries and... I don't know, presumably education? I don't make any assumptions about the US. Definitely on the military.

    It's not a zero sum game. Even American leftists have bought into this idea that public resources are extraordinarily limited and can't be shared without severe means testing.

    Research and development tends to be fairly profitable in the long run. You don't feed the poor because you have no political will, not because you have a space program. That's a conservative talking point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Right so this was addressed in the "of course we can have both" section of my comment.

    So to reiterate, of course we can have both scientific research and provide for our citizens. It's my view that we should ensure our citizens are provided a basic standard of living and assign the remaining budget from there.

    The budget is quite massive and we should have no issue providing for both the people and research/scientific exploration. I would personally assign great value to these types of things. Honestly we can do both at the same time and we can easily do both by reallocating a small percentage of the defense budget but it won't happen. The budget increase given to Homeland Security is sickening.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Okay, so then it's unrelated.

    Why bring it up when talking about how effective progress in aerospace was at all? If you can have both why prompt it specifically in the one area that is a conservative talking point?

    Bring it up when talking about Homeland Security in that case.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is why I fear Lemmy will fail. I see this every other thread. If someone says something that is even slightly off the topic of the original post people just complain about how it's unrelated, shutting down the very conversation that makes sites like these interesting.

    I jumped into this conversation after the original comment. I thought they had a point. Sure their point was only loosely related, but I thought it was interesting conversation and worth a discussion. But no that would be too much fun.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    But it's not because it's off-topic.

    It's because it's a reactionary trope based on a flawed premise that some people parrot for no good reason.

    If you or the first poster on this had gone on about how much they like helicopters that would have been quite nice.

    I didn't say "that seems unrelated" because it's off topic, I said it because the ability to create a social safety net and the ability to do research, even for the sake of international prestige, are in fact unrelated and the only reason to relate them is being hostile to both or trying to deflect from the lack of funding by shifting the blame to actually useful or productive things that do get funded.

    I think that's fun. That's a fun observation.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Seems like back pedaling but I'll bite.

    I said it because the ability to create a social safety net and the ability to do research, even for the sake of international prestige, are in fact unrelated and the only reason to relate them is being hostile to both or trying to deflect from the lack of funding by shifting the blame to actually useful or productive things that do get funded.

    As I said you can absolutely have both, but allowing poverty and human suffering to exit while focusing on these other things will always cast a shadow on them.

    Like I said the starting point should be providing a basic standard of living for your citizens. Then you fund everything else. The US generates enough wealth to do both. The US generates enough wealth to fund hundreds of different programs, but I think a country's first duty before all else is providing for its citizens. That statement doesn't negate funding for anything else it just establishes a priority.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    But it's not zero sum. You don't have to do this linearly. It's not social safety net first, everything else after. It's both at the same time. That's not how funding prioritization works.

    And again, even if it was, there are plenty of things to deprioritize before you deprioritize research or space exploration.

    This is the problem with even having this conversation here. Why bring it up here at all? This is not the thing where you go "oh, but don't we have other priorities" unless you're actively opposed to this being a priority because holy crap, are there worse priorities to go after.

    Honestly, this argument is so American it's not even worth it.

    Oh, and for the record, I'm not backpedaling. If anything I was pulling punches up front because hey, a lot of people get swayed by conservative propaganda arguing that useful stuff shouldn't get funded because they defunded other useful stuff. I was being nice.

    I think I'm done being nice, which means "don't talk to Americans about politics, it's a waste of time" policy is back online.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not social safety net first, everything else after. It's both at the same time.

    I've said this was easily possible 3 times now, but you seem to have decided to read what you want. Regardless of what's being said.

    Might be for the best to follow your own policy if you fail to read and comprehend the nuances of the conversation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I know you said it.

    I responded.

    If you want to have a conversation about it... well, still no. But repeating the argument that has been addressed multiple times and accusing the other guy of poor reading comprehension isn´t it.

    That one is because of being from the Internet. Not blaming the US for that one.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I wanted to show real time rendered graphics in the same interval, but there were no real time graphics in 1959.

    Still, these two are 33 years apart, so we can do half.

    New technologies tend to explode very quickly while there is obvious iteration and improvement from a new principle left on the table and then they settle down as the room for improvement shrinks.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    fyi: you can make these show up in your comment by using

    ! [](imagelink)

    without the space between ! and [

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    My experience with how these are rendered in different apps is... inconsistent. I'm not on a Lemmy instance, so I end up going with the simplest option.

    If and when all Fedi apps do this properly... well, at that point I wouldn't have to add anything manually, would I?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Rockets are far older than airplanes and have absolutely nothing in common with each other, other than "things you do in the air". It's equivalent to taking a shit and brushing your teeth. Not connected at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Except they absolutely influence each other and to pretend like there is a world where one exists without the other, especially building a spaceworthy rocket, is just wrong. Aerospace principles are highly intertwined even if the application of knowledge gained from either is applied differently.

    I would say that they’re like brushing and flossing. Very different on the face of it but the background to either is completely linked to the other. Each informs and aids the practice of the other.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    You could argue that spitting out some pixels on a CRT has about as much to do with rendering millions of polygons into multiple frame buffers and collecting the whole thing into a digital image to output over HDMI.

    The OP makes a decent leap in terms of "things that move us away from the ground", I don't have a problem with it, even if there are a handful of big changes in methodology along the way.

    I mean, if we take your caveat at face value we end up with some combination of the Concorde, a F-35, the A380 and a remote controlled drone. Honestly, the point stands just as well.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What will come next in 2035? ... at the rate we're going, probably something stupid like femboy hitler

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    66 years is a long time. Considering that 1969 was 56 years ago, we still have 10 years to do something similarly worthwhile.

    ... 10 years is also a long time. It can wait until tomorrow.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I've had that mindset of "10 years is a long time; what's one more day" since adolescence. Boom, now it's 16 years in the future and I'm suddenly a dysfunctional adult struggling to get through each day.

    But on the bright side, I just began medication for ADHD, and it's not only life changing, it's life saving. I feel capable, motivated, and determined for the first time in my life. Let's build the future so that 2035 will be a milestone for humanity!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like the recently anounced nuclear reactor ?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think that is as big as the moon landing. Finding alien life would be more in the same vein.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    We would need a significant technological boost to be able to see the surfaces of alien worlds, I think that technology alone would be a candidate for innovation. After all whether or not we find aliens is not dependant on the technology but depending on if there are any to find.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    No wonder it took that plane 66 years to fly to the moon. It looks really slow.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Amazing how photography technology improved.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hard to believe that man landed on the moon only 60+ years after landing on Earth. Makes you wonder what's next

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Landing on the moon again. It's been over fifty years since we've been back.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Well there is the Artemis program although it seems massively overly complicated.

    SLS is basically just the Apollo rocket again, except without a lander. Then they're going to dock with a space station that they haven't built, and transfer via the space station onto a lander produce by SpaceX (although possibly there will be others), then land on the moon in the lander;and construct a permanent habitat on the moon. Presumably the space station will do something other than serve as a transfer system but I don't really know what.

    With the trump administration though it's anyone's guess what happens I'm assuming that they'll probably cut funding so it won't happen anyway.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    And only 12 years later.... Mtv flag on the moon and astronaut

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    That is when we peaked as a civilisation. When MTV stopped being a music channel that's when things started to go downhill.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    then The Learning Channel stopped being about learning

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hot take: MTV peaked when they were airing animation, not music

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Mid 90s were great. You had music in the mornings and then Beavis and Butthead, ren and stimpy, and Daria during the day. Unfortunately, they sprinkled in some RR reality TV shows, which was probably the beginning of the end.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    mRNA vaccines. Net positive power output from fusion. Off the top of my head.

    I agree with your concept of capitalism killing innovation and forcing people into dead-end jobs. But that doesn't mean technical innovation is dead. Just means it's not progressing optimally and not benefiting the right people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    isn't that goochie goo autism old guy halting mRNA research?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Generative AI too. It might be hammered into everything to the point of being tiresome, but it is technologically impressive that you can have a computer just synthesise a photo/video/music.

    Compare to 20 years ago. Being able to just go "Computer, create for me an original landscape painting", and have it make one would be something that you'd only find on television/in movies.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    What we're really fucking up is the ramp from fossil to advanced energy sources that could enable massive outward expansion into the solar system. The billionaires are forgetting that a larger piece of a smaller pie is still less pie.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    In 2025, most everyone in the world can translate foreign languages at the press of a button. I dislike Gwern since he's a bigot, but I like his article, "My Ordinary Life: Improvements Since the 1990s."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    We could do that in 2010, which is about where it stagnated.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Google translate isn't much better than it was in 2010, but LLMs do a much better job. Admittedly, Google Translate is what most people use. It works well enough though.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah. Last tine we gor any positive modal shift was smart phones. That was 17 years ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We're still ignoring the history of all flight and rocketry prior to the invention of the heavier than air aircraft, I see.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    what is even the point of this graph? GDP is a nonsensical metric that barely tells anything about the economy, let alone society and technology.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yay! Money! It's what matters!^tm^

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Even if you don't care about money, you shouldn't be feeling like you're on steady well-trodden ground if you live on the side of a steep slope like this. The same would go for e.g. scientific output (however that's measured), world population, agricultural output, and so on.

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  • Photography advanced by a lot in that time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Time to make another deal with aliens to the next big jump

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Pretty sure people invented flags long time ago.

    /j

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  • If it's true that these two photographs are only separated by 66 years, does that mean that NASA faked the moon landing on the beach at Kitty Hawk?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And you wonder why people think there was a conspiracy.

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