Now if we could just repeat that success consistently.
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History teaches us when protests and marches go unacknowledged riots and civil disobedience follow
While media attention is often focused on actors acquiescing to Trump’s demands, in the streets the popular protest movement continues to push back against the administration with notable persistence over time.
No lie, that's some good news.
I hate reading the comments of all the capitulators here, carrying water for the regime by trying to discourage people with this constant drumbeat that protests are useless and ineffective. Bullshit. Are you magats? We've seen examples in history where protests and the movements they enabled have brought down those in power.
Protests are necessary but not sufficient in themselves. They're how resistance starts and builds, not how it ends. Did you ever think it might take time to form the momentum to get to a critical mass, especially after decades of complacency? Real momentum and effective action was never going to happen immediately or in just weeks, or even in less than eight months which is where we are now. There are already people grouping and doing things other than protests (iykyk) and will be more, made possible by the support and cover that large numbers participating provide.
Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities. Blue cities. There's one reason for that--they want to intimidate people from turning out and use force to stop those who do. trump keeps saying so and plans are being implemented.
Point is, you may think it's all useless and ineffective, but the regime obviously doesn't. Why do you want to help them? If you think it's hopeless, fine--stay home and doom scroll, but stop trying to dissuade others.
Troops are being moved into cities and they will keep being sent to more cities.
Which is important. Make them want to cover every city in America. The problem for them is that they can't. There aren't enough regular troops, National Guard, and ICE agents put together to make it work. They'll be spread too thin.
That really highlights the importance of protests. If it was just New York it would fail. If it was just Chicago it would fail. If it were just LA it would fail. If we signal that we're all going to work together on this, they can't possibly do it.
I agree. The negativity in this forum has utility beyond providing a stupid counterpoint. It also saturates attention and screenspace in long threads of people arguing nonsense. The goal is disruption, and in a space far from corporate control like Reddit, yet somewhat under-moderated, it's alarmingly effective. At worst, there's an acutual playbook for this exact thing.
They think that going out and shooting Republicans will help. Because of course the ones with control over the military will be easily brought down by randos with guns.
Depends on the ones you are shooting. If you kill the 80 year old Republican who has barely any cash? No it won't do shit. If you snipe Charlie Kirk or a senator, then yeah cause it breaks the illusion of their immunity.
Violence is a tool and much like any tool you need to know how to use it. Taking out the propaganda welps and the money movers would be a good first step. It's also a lot harder to work against if done with variable tactics since asymmetrical warfare is a bitch to work against.
If done in a well-organized strategic manner, agreed! But somehow I don't think that's how it would go down.
You don't have to be well-organized nor strategic. Being chaotic and uncaught often works. I listen a lot to Behind the Bastards and Lions Led by Donkeys. It has given me the impression that effectiveness of a given behavior is a horseshoe, where the ends of the shoe have greater impact than a balanced style.
uncaught
That word is doing a LOT of heavy lifting. But I agree. If only it were easy to do.
Surprisingly, it happens more often than one expects. Just listen to the podcasts I mentioned, all sorts of people, good and bad...usually the bad, get away with being weird in all the ways. Audacity is bit of a cheat code, because most people don't want to disrupt their daily life. This cedes agency to people who do things.
Only need the organization level of a WW2 resistance cell or an IRA cell. Squad level is more than large enough to execute effective operations on a strategic level so long as said cells aren't entirely singular, 5 cells each with 5 people for example even when working independently could probably bring a cities infrastructure to its knees let alone kill random politicians and their buddies.
Chill with the fedposting. You know you're not actually anonymous here, right? You're putting yourself at risk. People have had the FBI knocking on their door for less.
Okay and? Id tell a fed I want to fill the reflection pool with the corpses of every member of the legislature, executive, and judicial. They'd probably dismiss as a non actionable pretty damned fast since white dude from redneck land is probably a pretty damned common thing to hear this shit from.
Trump could get overthrown tomorrow and Lemmy Europeans would find a way to bitch about it
Damn those Europeans, always bitching about Trump being overthrown. Well, he isn't overthrown actually, instead he has more and more power by the day and Americans don't do anything effective about it. And those pesky Europeans keep bitching about things that happening instead of being happy about imaginary things that aren't happening.
Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
I think that peaceful and defiant protest are the anvil and hammer of social reform. Without each other, it is hard to change society into a more useful shape. These two wings are part of the same animal, and only work if they cooperate.
The Black Panthers were great, because they created social programs like feeding schoolchildren, while offering physical protection to the people under their care. We need Rainbow Panthers to help support the MLKs and Malcoms of our day.
It's important to note how the Black Panthers used "violence". There were very few incidents where they actually fired their guns, and when they did, they were arguably baited into doing it by the FBI and local cops.
Their best tactic was just hanging around with an AK on their back while a cop did their racial profiling thing to somebody else. They'd keep a book of laws handy and give the person advice from the sidelines. If they didn't have a gun, the cop would likely have found some pretext to arrest them and that'd be it. With a gun, the cop thinks twice and puts up with it. It wasn't there to actually be fired, but to make sure everyone behaved themselves.
This was so effective they changed California's open carry law to stop it. It's estimated that there were only around 100 Black Panthers at the time.
non violent protests only go so far, they would be scared if magats are also doing it, because how trigger finger they are. i think the strike that was truley effective, is the one they quashed, the railroad workers, the us is entirely dependant on this. Having these tiny protests, comparetively to what EUROPEans are doing.
Non violence brings people together so that violence can be enacted in a directed, efficient, and useful manner. So the least amount of incidental harm can be caused to those it's not directed at. And those who it is directed at can see and feel it in ways that are the most impactful and visible.
Cause even if violence is enacted. If it's not see far and wide, then it is little more than the tantrum of a child easily swept into their room and kept invisible from the public.
- Trump and his goons are traitors
- A corporate takeover of the US has been planned for a long time
- We will not vote our way out of this
Traitors and child fuckers.
We will not vote our way out of this
Nope. That option disappeared on November 5, 2024.
You cannot allow fascists to have total control of a government and then expect to vote your way back to normality.
Lots of people are going to have to die to end this. And we'll probably go through a prolonged period of a decline of our quality of life before that happens. Then a prolonged period of recovery. And it could have easily been avoided if Americans had pulled their heads out of their asses and rubbed a couple brain cells together.
Buckle up kids.
Agreed, but this has been brewing for over 18 years. Today's MAGA were yesteryear's Tea Party members. They liked to wear funny "patriotic" hats and discuss conspiracy theory level politics. Easily guided and basically brainless, if you hold up a picture of a liberal they would run at it screaming profanities like some weird carrot on a stick. They ALMOST destroyed the Republican party with that craziness ... but the party just steered into it and now rides the wave.
A lot of people's limits are pretty much already reached. Some of us are old, tired, and just not that interested in keeping the greed machine running.
Your average Joe may not grab a rifle and run at the illegal National Guards that have been deployed or do a Luigi... but if those average Joe's happen to see someone else do somwthing like that it will be good odds that they won't remember what the person looked like or which way they ran after they did it.
1 and 2 completely agree, but 3 is quitter talk. We don't need any of that.
just start saving your damn money and stop wasting it on games and booze and drugs
No
If history has taught us anything, it's that the porn always wins.
Pick up a history book.
You don't vote fascists out.
It's not quitter talk. It is opening a discussion for a workaround.
great
now do it again, but really show that you mean business. in a way that the fascists will understand and be scared of
It's good to see people politically animated, but these protests are largely 'controlled opposition'. It's an emergency venting valve where the people's frustration is channeled into a meaningless whistle.
The whole system is rotted. The democrats are not fighting for the small folk at all. If anything, a branch of the party is probably relieved that the republicans moved the overton window so far right.
Real change will require actual upheaval. You can't vote or protest your way out of this shit. Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board. There are some of us (working class) that are doing some unassuming maintenance in the orphan crushing machine. We won't get anywhere as long as people are operating their evil cog as normal. These protests won't do anything as long as it's being directed through the democrat pressure valve, as it is built in as a safety device in the orphan crushing machine.
Major civilian disobedience and unionizing is required across the board.
The only way we get there is by getting people out of their houses, away from controlled media, and aware that they're not alone. Without active, live, out-in-public protest, nobody will feel emboldened to take more radical action; they'll feel like a lone actor and probably not even start. Civil action en-masse comes first.
No one disputes the need to get people in the street. I agree with you there.
My cautionary tale is that turning to democrats or other mainstream ""resistance"" is a trap meant to deflate popular morale.
Im not alone? Thank goodness, my rent is coming up in 19 days and its the vast majority of my income. Its gonna be nice to have help paying it.
And nothing changed.
Fascists do not care about protests. Never have. Never will.
Fascists also don't allow fair elections if they can prevent them.
This is why it was so important for Americans to pull their heads out of their asses and make the obvious choice in November, instead of giving total control to fascists, making it WAY more likely for the next election to be fraudulent. Americans failed.
I'm going to let everyone reading this come to the obvious conclusion for what will end up needing to be done at this point.
I'm gonna guess violent revolution with a side of political cleansing?
And I got chastised for insulting people who are intolerant, both to tankies and fascists. These bullies only understand and respond to force. Give them what they want and they will wish to have stopped.
And we’re all reaping the benefits of it, right? RIGHT???
Non-violent protest only works against those who have a conscience, with is NOT MAGAts.
I humbly disagree. Protests can have a massive economic impact if they reach critical mass. Acts of violence also need a critical mass, but convincing people to protest is far easier than convincing them to commit acts of violence.
Don’t go to work, block all traffic, don’t pay taxes, stop spending, attack all opposition. With enough participation, we can crash the economy in a single day and regain control within a week. Getting people to do what is necessary en masse is the hard part. Things will have to get worse before we get there.
I do realize your username is literally GuyFawkes. Nevertheless, when somebody is doing wrong, the first approach should be to use reason and empathy as a point of argument. If that fails, then work to starve the oppressor of what they seek to exploit until they find that pursuit to be no longer in their interests. If that fails, then use whatever means necessary to ensure oppression ends and human rights that were once willingly suppressed instead become guaranteed.
Ok but step 1 has been thoroughly explored and this administration didn't delay their agenda for a second. Step 2 requires massive legal reform tandem with a functional judiciary, given that profit, capital, and power consolidation are what they seek. Unfortunately they're winning that battle as the judiciary and legal system are only degrading despite public outcry.
Non violent protests might take time but it will give good results. Even against violent oppressors.
Violent protests might feel direct, might show results immediately. But those might not be what you would like. Violence only begets violence.
How do the violent ones go?
I went to an anti-genocide march that day and we were hoping to link up with the No Kings marchers and combine forces, but they went home early.
Everyone had a good time, then went home and nothing was changed.
Eventually the fascist will infiltrate and incite violence so they can move in and kill.
wagingnonviolence.org
is completely ineffective
name a better combo
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