Politicians in the Bay Area want to remove bike lanes from the Richmond-San Rafael bridge because they are worried about traffic congestion.

Cyclists say removing these bike lanes will put them in danger.

https://richmondside.org/2025/08/05/richmond-san-rafael-bridge-bike-path-final-vote/

https://bikeeastbay.org/rsr2024-2/

During the public hearing, commissioner Karl Hasz was spotted driving his car

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[–] 96 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Did anyone call him out for this during the meeting?

There's a public comment section, right? Straight up ask why he feels it's appropriate be deciding matters of public saftey while actively endangering the public himself by distracted driving during this very meeting.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    From my experience with a different fight in NYC, these people don't give a shit. They have no shame, they only care about their golden kickbacks.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    How do people not vote them out?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    They're backed by billionaires and landlords who will easily spend lots of money attacking their rivals if it means slightly lower taxes

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Most people don’t pay much or any attention to local politics which makes advertising and incumbency very powerful. Most people literally just vote for the name they recognize from TV or mailers.

    It would take a large increase in political consciousness to fix this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Quick, without googling, tell me your state level representative, and give me a summary of their votes on key issues.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Exactly. We can only deal with so many issues in a 24 hour period. With trump, there's 47 new issues every day. Fraud overload. No way to respond to all the trash. We need the boondocks saints to just get rid of the bulk of the garbage and let's see how the surviving trash changes almost overnight.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, the point I was trying to make is that if you aren't actively engaged in politics, you won't know any of those things. Heck, I'm pretty engaged in my local news, taking maybe 15-30 minutes a day to read about local and state issues, and off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you who my state level rep is, or what they've voted for recently. That's why people don't vote then out, there is an apathetic disconnect between the politicians vote, and the shitty policies that they support. Hence why people keep actively voting for politicians who undermine and harm them, the people voting can't be bothered to connect their vote to the policies that are enacted.

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  • [–] 127 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Why are all the top level comments from people defending reckless driving?

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Based on this and a couple recent other threads I am becoming pretty convinced that more and more of the people on Lemmy are children.

    Edit: I can admit that I was a dumbass who thought that I could do all the things while driving as a teenager. I am guessing the people downvoting me are either teenagers or people who don’t remember being teenagers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't know man, Lemmy seems to downvote people who make generalizing claims, period.

    Your comment didn't seem to ring with the community, that could be because they're of the age group you're citing as the group supportive of this shitty behavior (distracted driving), or it could be because the base of your stance didn't root itself in examples they could identify with and so they downvoted an opinion they disagreed with.

    I'd say the most likely reason people downvote is because they disagree, I wouldn't have much knowledge on their age though so I won't make claims on that part.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think that’s part of the problem though. Downvoting isn’t for disagreeing it’s a vote that a comment detracts from the conversation as a whole.

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  • I hear you and agree with that concept.

    I think that, if your goal was ultimately to further the conversation (in it's format, I don't see anything wrong with what you initially wrote), adding examples of what you mean by recent interactions pointing towards the user base being more skewed towards teenagers. That might have deterred anyone who was unsure of whether you were being genuine or just bashing on the next generation the way we've seen historically.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Careless/reckless driving is entirely normalized in America. Think of the number of people you see speeding, rolling stop signs, blowing through pedestrian crosswalks, speeding up to make the yellow light and "accidentally" running the red. Think of all the people who chat on the phone, attend work meetings, watch videos, do their makeup, and eat entire meals while behind the wheel of a moving car. Think of all the people you've heard essentially bragging about how much they speed, who bemoan all the "slow" people on the road who are just going the posted speed limit, or who feel they're being unfairly targeted when they get a speeding ticket for going ten-over.

    Chances are if you've driven a car in America then you yourself are guilty of having done some of those things. I know I certainly am, though I've been intentional about taming my own hubris behind the wheel over recent years. But it's hard to accept that what is normal to you is also wrong or dangerous. Especially in a survivor biased environment like reckless driving culture, where nothing bad generally happens to you until it does and then as people get more reckless the higher the chances are you won't walk away from an accident. And so when you see a post online shaming people for something you do on your way to work every day, you get defensive because to you that's just normal behavior.

    Edit: To be clear, I'm not defending these people or their actions, just offering an explanation for OPs question. Still, I expect to get downvoted for the very reason I just articulated.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The bike lane is like 1/3rd the size of the car lane and has more people on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    No, in this case it’s a two way cycle track that takes up exactly one car lane. Before the bike path it was a shoulder, but if they removed the bike path they’d almost certainly turn it into a flex lane like the bottom deck of the bridge.

    That being said, I’m sure it would induce demand and cause even more people to commute from Richmond (or worse, far flung suburbs like Antioch) to Marin until traffic is worse. And there’d be no way to bike since bikes aren’t allowed in the car freeway lanes, and there are no alternative routes over the bay.

    Also do you have a source for more bikes using it? I’d look it up but am on my phone and too lazy.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that even legal? Just holding your phone while driving can cost you a fine of €. 430 here.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    It's probably on a hands free mount rolling at the camera angle.

    However, it's still illegal to have video playing within view of the driver, so he's still breaking the law

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago*

    No, it is not legal. This bike path is part of the Bay Trail, which was enacted by State legislation, and served as mitigation for environmental damage done by Caltrans highway work. The BCDC was specifically created by the legislature to ensure maximum feasible public access to the Bay. So voting to close the path violates any number of laws and policies.

    As for driving while distracted by the phone...yeah that's also illegal.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    It's supposed to be mildly infuriating, but it actually made me laugh. Not because I like or agree with the idea, but just at the absurdity of it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Probably driving in the bike lane

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How does putting slow-moving bikes into traffic somehow fix congestion? Some dipshits are under the same impression in Canada, too... Like, have they all forgotten how much a single cyclist can fuck up traffic?

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  • [+] -72 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I don’t understand the upset, cause he owns a car? Is that enough to make someone a bad person now?

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    No, it's because he was in the video conference while driving showing that he was distracted and danger to pedestrians and cyclists.
    If he's doing to drive recklessly he has no business deciding any matters of road safety.

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  • [+] -73 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So when mum calls to ask if we need milk, she’sa villain!

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    So when mum calls to ask if we need milk, she’sa villain!

    It’s all about levels.

    It’s entirely different to have a 30 second conversation about picking up milk compared to joining a work meeting.

    Especially when that work meeting is a video call that is distracting the driver (they are looking at the phone in the picture).

    There are definitely those that would ban all phone calls when driving.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Distracted driving is pretty irresponsible and dangerous.

    Just this morning some guy blew through a stop sign and almost hit me. He had his cell phone in hand. Maybe he was on a meeting, too.

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  • I'm a school bus driver. Last year I had a cop blow past me at 40 mph in the opposite direction when I was stopped with my red lights flashing and stop sign out, about to let off a large number of kids who cross the road at that stop. If I hadn't kept the door closed, they probably would have been hit. I glanced down at the cop as he passed and he was driving with his left hand on the steering wheel and his right handing holding his phone - he never saw my bus at all.

    We now have the external cameras that auto-ticket cars that pass us when our red flashers are on, but I wish to fuck we'd had them last year to catch this guy.

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  • [+] -93 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Yes... let's reschedule a public hearing because one person had a conflict? Maybe we could just adapt to people having lives and working?

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Being on a video call while operating a motor vehicle is dangerous and should be illegal in any sane jurisdiction under distracted driving laws.

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  • [+] -42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As long as it’s setup, how’s it different than talking to a passenger? It’s completely hands free at that point.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Considering the frame they caught him in he's not looking at the road. Is it eyes free?

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  • [+] -56 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    So can’t shoulder check or look at your passengers? Can’t adjust volume or other settings on your dash?Wrong thing to complain about lol. There’s hundreds of things that take your attention away from the road for a second or two that’s normally done while operating a vehicle already.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago*

    Those aren't the same things and you should know that.

    This isn't taking your attention off the road for *a second or two as you say. This is the type of thing that splits your attention. And humans are terrible at multitasking at the level required for this.

    Edit: *

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    When you are driving your attention should be on the road not on the phone while a hearing about bike lane is going on

    which is kind of funny wanting to remove a bike lane that help protect cyclist while driving dangerously

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    So can’t talk to passengers either then? It’s hands free once it's setup, there’s nothing inherently wrong with what’s being done actually.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ah yes, the classic "these things share one property so they share all properties" argument.

    Blinking closes your eyes. You can safely drive and blink. Thus, you can drive safely with your eyes closed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Wow, that's a good one, I should remember to try next time I drive

    But yeah, I ride a bicycle, so what do I know about safety anyway. So touching when people remove bike lanes to improve traffic, because they care <3

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    video chatting with a screen visible to the driver? fk no. also his setup and use of it violates cvc 27602.

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