"So anyway, I orchestrated that apprentice's death and built an empire fuelled by greed and corruption."
- Darth Sidious
"So anyway, I orchestrated that apprentice's death and built an empire fuelled by greed and corruption."
So, you know, maybe institute term limits instead of going full fascism. Star Wars is so unrealis...oh.
The Jedi council are unelected folk (from a religious sect) just doing things bcs they can. Like kidnapping all force-sensitive children.
They are like the Church in the middle ages with a private army, public funding, more powerful than most state officials, not subject to state laws, and not disclosing their affairs or motives publicly.
I think the word kidnapping is doing some heavy lifting here. Aren't the kids there by choice?
Whose choice? The kids? Because we all know kids aren’t easily tricked. By their parents? If Anikin’s mom is any indicator, she was effectively lied to and filled with unverifiable promises by a stranger she just met who certainly wasn’t using their current situation as a means to appeal to her emotions about her wanting a better life for her son.
Isn't the new show just canon saying they forced them/the jedi had to bring them in bcs of the threat they would become sith?
Also nobody went & rescue Vaders parents, they just bought a child slave (if he would work for them that is), and neither the planetary royalty nor the galactic Jedi order didn't have the funds to buy two parent slaves (or help the planet for that matter).
Not really. And this isn't something "Disney canon" either, as this was established well before Disney, when Lucas still had creative control:
The Jedi, in their archives, keep a list of force-sensitive children. The extra-powerful ones, ones that can already manipulate the force at an infant stage, are kept on a well guarded holochron in the deepest part of their archives.
Jedi observe these infants. They visit the family's of these infants. The parents are told there will be a day that they'll come for their kids. Then, when they're old enough (but not too old) the kids get taken away from their parents and start training at the nearest temple (or the main one).
I haven't heard of Jedi forcibly taking children away, but Jedi can be very... convincing, so "on paper" these kids are there by choice. These stories were explored in The Clone Wars. One of the earlier seasons. Though it didn't go into specifics.
A child cannot consent to be taken away from their family like that.
Its abduction, the Jedi suck shit and abduct child to be children soldiers and enslave sentient robots.
Those 3-4 year olds making those heavy decisions...
Their parents willingly give the children into their care not unlike Catholic or Buddhist monasteries raising children given to them.
Only the kids are guaranteed to have a good life, the best education in the galaxy, have all their physical needs met, get to learn FUCKING SPACE MAGIC, and serve as important guardians of a galactic republic who don't even have to do cop stuff, unlike what the kind of idiot that accuses them of kidnapping children might say despite A CORE PLOT POINT of Phantom Menace being that the MOST REBELLIOUS JEDI MASTER WON'T EVEN STEAL A SLAVE CHILD
Not all the time, no.
Yes, literally all the time. Reddit shit takes are not canon.
But Dooku didn't help the slaves...
Not uncommon for sith to get into it for theoretically noble reasons they fail to live up to; it's easy to talk about the good you'd do with that power when you don't have it
Some propaganda:

Tho OPs pic's point remains - SW is a space western & can't give us the full picture of how the average world lived under either of systems, but going from widespread and generational corruption (not just the Jedi, but starting there) to a single point of power (dictatorship) initially lowers the corruption & dethrones (or recruits in diminished way) various mini-powers/leaders/mobsters bcs if nothing else they are simply a threat to the image.
At any rate, never be ok being governed by a 900 year old unelected frog that can't spot a Sith Lord if they shared a urinal at his visit to the senate (and the frogs religious zealotism is centred around genociding said Siths).
Billions of beings? China and India are not far off of billions. It should at least(!) be trillions.
There's 8 billion humans on earth, and if you assume that's the average planet population in the empire, you're only maybe a trillion of there's over 100 planetary civilizations under imperial rule.
I'm not a big enough nerd to know how many there really are, but thinking back to how many reps were in the republic senate scenes, it's probably around a trillion (they generally rep a planet, right?). But that's being generous, plenty of those planets are noticably smaller than Earth and I don't think they all end up imperial.
From what we've seen in the movies, there's six planets, maybe ten, in the empire. The others are most likely imperial propaganda.
Coruscant's entire surface is covered with a single city with a population density like Tokyo
If we've got an estimated surface size, could be an interesting math problem.
Does the Republic have any actual power in the Outer Rim where the slavery was happening? I thought that was Hutt space and the Hutts are not part of the Republic. It's why Mos Eisley is a haven for pirates and other criminals looking to evade the law; the Republic has no authority or jurisdiction there. It's why Republic credits are no good there.
Star Wars government makes a lot more sense if you've read Foundation. The Republic was not in good health when Palps took over (very much according to his designs.)
Unless using Republic credits gets you shot, there should at least be a privately run currency exchange somewhere, even if the rates are terrible. It doesn't make sense that there's no currency exchange anywhere on the planet.
Am retired pirate with big booty, have bright idea to open currency exchange in Mos Eisley.
Find discreet junk shop, shoot owner dead, set up shop.
Opening day: nothing.
Days 2 to 5: nothing.
Day 6: sick looking alien stumbles into shop, vomits everywhere, dies.
Days 7 to 12: nothing.
Day 13: dude looking like a poorly disguised Republic citizen walks in the door (finally, a client!), gets shot in the back, dies. I pilfer his belongings, finally some profit.
Days 14 to 27: nothing.
Day 28: shady looking droid walks in, asks for all my money; I ask for the equivalent amount of Republic credits in exchange; it produces a gun and shoots me in the tentacle, and asks again for all my money. I give it the money.
Am broke, and bleeding.
Day 29: tentacle falls off.
Day 30: bunch of official looking Gamorreans show up demanding tax, tribute, bribe, and gratuity. Have nothing to give them. They grab me and throw me into a sarlacc, where I'll be digested for a thousand years.
Maybe it wasn't such a bright idea.
you mean like what they did to the Gungans?
When were the Gungans shown to be slaves? Nobody even seemed to know they existed except Amidala.
I'm not famiar with any EU content tho, so maybe I'm jist ignorant of some details found outside the movies.
Reboot Star Wars but the Sith are anti-slavery freedom fighters against the Jedi liberal empire
“We came here to chew bubblegum and free slaves. And we are all out of bubblegum.”

And keep religion from state, especially ones that take children from their parents to indoctrinate at a young age.
This has to be peak Lemmy.
"It's just me and my world of enemies..."
Before it was hurr hurr reddit, now it's hurr hurr lemmy.
When are you not in the attacked righteous minority?
I'm not sympathising with you; I'm saying you're acting like an idiot.
Case in point
Yoda is like an establishment neoliberal
I’ve heard this take before, but my head canon includes this as why Yoda went into exile. He knew he fucked up, and couldn’t really face it for a while.
Wanna hear what it sounds like when the blood pressure of 1000 nerds spikes all at once?
Ahem, "Grey Jedi are how you fix Star Wars"
Interesting that you have willingly opted out of the social contracts known as human rights over this but okay
Technically something similar already exists in EU. Aing-Tii monks do not see the force as black or white, but as a rainbow. They mostly stayed to themselves except to fuck up some slavers from time to time, but they have taught at least 1 human their method of using the force.
Just another point on the laundry list of reasons the prequels fucked everything up.
I mean they certainly fuck up a lot, but I think they, in larger narative strokes, do a good job of touching on how the failures of neoliberalism decay into fascism as complacent systems fail.
I'm just not sure Lucas meant to do it
Idk, there was that interview he said the rebels were the viet cong, that the soviets had more freedom in what sorts of films they could get greenlit because you didn't have to pitch it on how much money it would make, and I believe in it said that he was trying to show the decay into fascism under GHW Bush. The dude is not a good director, and can't write dialog or people for shit, but I think he's knows what he's doing generally.
In a good way. The prequels felt like they are a part of a different era of history. While the sequels where just the originals but more.
I'm not a fan of when writers let the baddies point out plot holes and inconsistencies brought about by other writers. At that point it's really just the writers undermining each other.
Isn't this the kind of thinking that got Trump elected? Kamala ignored the war in Gaza, so the other side is better? Doesn't say the dark side isn't exactly the same.. so it must not be?
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