Brannigan is way smarter than Mush.

There will always be accidents with tech or anything. No matter how much planning, foresight, etc could go into a product or service. Humans cannot account for every scenario. Death is inevitable to some degree. That being said.

Tesla point blank launched a half ass product / project that just did not fully operate as specified. I'm all for self driving vehicles, even through the bad stuff even if it happened to me I'd still be for it. Given the early stage though, they should have focused so much more on their "rolling release updates" than they have.

Of course things will need updated, of course accidents will happen. But it's how they respond to them that makes them look evil vs good. Their response has been lack luster. The market seems to think it's a not a major issue though. There's more teslas now than ever on the roads.

I don't know, most experimental technologies aren't allowed to be tested in public till they are good and well ready. This whole move fast break often thing seems like a REALLY bad idea for something like cars on public roads.

its really not, we just have cowards who are afraid of the word regulation running the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DO-178C

https://www.seleon.com/en/regulatory-affairs/fda-guidance-for-software-lifecycle/

Which they have not and won't do. You have to do this in every condition. I wonder why they always test this shit out in Texas and California?

That is a low bar. However I have yet to see independant data. I know such exists but the only ones who talk have reason to lie with stastics so I can't trust them.

Don't you love how corporations can be people when it comes to bribing politicians but not when it comes to consequences for their criminal actions? Interestingly enough, the same is happening to AI...

You'd have to prove that the salesman said exactly that, and without a record it's at best a he said / she said situation.

I'd be happy to see Musk jailed though, he's definitely taunted self driving as fully functional.

$329mm is a little more than a standard cost of doing business fine. That's substantially more than 80% of these companies get fined for causing huge amounts of damage.

Indeed, just the feeling of loss crossing his path would taste sweet for us peasants.

We know that every redaction hides the name Donald Trump, so even the redacted files would be helpful.

Fuck that I'm not a beta tester for a company. What happened to having a good product and then releasing it. Not oh let's see what happens.

The status quo is people driving poorly.

It's not people driving poorly, as much as it is horrible city planning, poor traffic design and, perhaps most importantly, not requiring people to be educated enough before receiving a driver's license.

This is an issue seen practically exclusively in underdeveloped countries. In Europe road accidents are incredibly rare. Nobody here even considers self-driving cars a solution to anything, because there's nothing to solve.

This is nothing but Tesla (et al.) selling a 'solution' to an artificially created problem, that will not solve anything and simply address the symptoms.

This isn't really something you can be 'too cautious' about.

Hopefully we can at least agree that as of right now, they're not being cautious enough.

Even if self driving cars kill less people, they'll still destroy our quality of life.

https://youtu.be/040ejWnFkj0

it's hard to prove that point, though. rolling out self driving may just make car usage go up and negate rate decreases by increasing overall usage

On the face of it, I agree. But 12 jurors who heard the whole story, probably for days or weeks, disagree with that.

The problem is how Musk and Tesla have sold their self driving and full self driving and what ever name they call the next one.