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[–] 78 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Doesn't mean shit unless they start a peacekeeping mission there that is willing to shoot at IDF troops.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Send in the Swedish Peacekeepers. Highly trained, highly disciplined, are trusted enough by senior command to make engagement calls themselves due to the decentralised command structure in their military.

    Every effective peacekeepers that will shoot at anyone who targets them or another group.

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  • [+] -28 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    Correct. Humans only respond to violence. Pacifists and limp-wrist Lefties waving signs and chanting aren't going to make change.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Studies show non-violent protests have been the most effective.

    But violent people do set the bar for their own treatment, sometimes.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I know what you're talking about, but there are tons of problems with that study, mainly ignoring the radical flank effect and failing to account for the fact that a weaker regime will be less able to enforce its will using violence.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Please cite said studies. Apologies, but I can't read anything on the internet without assuming it's complete bullshit without sources

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156837/

    This is the work that's often being referenced when talking about non-violent vs violent resistance, and the 3.5% participation claim.

    I don't see any references for your claims either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I don't see any references to your claims...

    https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

    https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470674871.wbespm174

    https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/keystone-xl-protesters-science-joe-nocera-bill-mckibben/

    http://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/543

    https://archive.org/details/politicsofwomens00free

    http://www2.cortland.edu/schools/arts-and-sciences/herbert-h.-haines.dot

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150402133541/http://irasilver.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Reading-Movement-funding-Haines.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/blackradicalsciv0000hain/page/n6/mode/1up

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150101221603/http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc12-1_004

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/share/VHEHHFBAANC7ZUNFWK3A?target=10.1111/j.1541-1338.2011.00498_3.x

    https://books.google.com/books?id=aKt8f_PpRSQC

    http://www.teachingforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Crosby-this_nonviolent_stuff.pdf

    http://nyupress.org/books/book-details.aspx?bookId=10963#.U1XprsJOVjo

    http://government.arts.cornell.edu/assets/psac/sp14/Gupta_PSAC_Feb7.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/socialmovementsr2edunse

    http://www.citizenshandbook.org/movements.pdf

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/9/4/6/p109468_index.html

    http://ibrarian.net/navon/paper/Radical_Flank_Effects__The_Effect_of_Radical__Mod.pdf?paperid=23267

    https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Chenoweth.Schock.Contemporaneous.Armed_.Challenges.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/blair-taylor-from-alterglobalization-to-occupy-wall-street

    https://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/4pw6j9s1.pdf;origin=repeccitec

    https://www.academia.edu/18313197/Rethinking_Radical_Flank_Theory_South_Africa

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_flank_effect

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Which of these 23 links backs up the claim that "people only respond to violence," or, paraphrasing, non-violent resistance is ineffective?

    I tried to skim a couple, but the synopsis on one was simply a recounting of black power tactics from the 70s, and another was a wiki page about the radical flank effect, which actually referenced the book I linked to support the claim that having a violent radical flank appeared to have no positive effect. Other references sometimes found a positive effect, but I can't really compare the merits of the sources.

    Honestly, having a pile of obscure links to whip out in favor of political violence is, at a minimum, odd.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Bullshit. We're not talking about gaining political rights in peacetime. You will not stop a genocidal army with words and flowers.

    And honestly, at this point implying otherwise is almost on complicity territory

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The Velvet Revolution was only peaceful because it was inevitable. It's not nearly that simple when the political winds are against you or even neutral, as seen in Syria. This is also why Romania, which was politically isolated from the Eastern Bloc, went into violent revolt.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That'll do it UN! Back pats and high fives all around.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The impression I get from this wave of recent announcements about Israel including of people like the British Government and Macron (both of which keep shipping weapons to Israel, and the former even has the police arresting anti-Genocide protesters) of "we will recognize Palestine as a nation if you don't stop" is that a bunch of politicians in Western nations are activelly executing a delay strategy to avoid that under pressure from public opinion all over the World (including their own countries) Israel is the target of actual sanctions.

    The whole thing reeks of the "thrown it into the long grass until it blows over" kind of political strategy for not doing what the public wanted that was incredibly common in British politics when I lived there.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Spain suspended arms sales to Israel in 2023. What France, UK, Canada and others are doing now is embarrassingly little and shockingly late. Really, at this point they are basically saying "we're fine with genocide but could you please hide at a little bit better so it's easier for us to pretend we don't see anything".

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Can’t have a Palestinian state without Palestinians.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    History shows us that Israel always keeps on trying to eliminate those of any other ethnicities than White-Jewish in that area to steal their land (if you think this is not a "White" thing, go check how Israel has treated Black-Jews), so a two-state solution is nothing more than yet more chances in the future for Israel to finish their Holocaust if they don't finish it this time around.

    The only real solution is a single, multi-religious or even non-religious state, which is not Israel and probably should not be based on anything from Israel since the very constitution of Israel makes it an Apartheid state.

    We're well pass the point were the upsides of the existence of the nation of Israel as is outweigh the downsides.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The real solution is to abolish the Sikes-Pikot borders and unite the countries that held jews, christians, muslims, yezidis and druze for centuries

    We should be looking at the broader picture.

    Countries that share one common language, one common cuisine, culture etc separated into 4 broken countries due to the british-french colonisation. And then the british ushered the zionists in modern day Palestine.

    The reality is, these 4 countries (or one country really) were colonised for the past 500+ years from the Ottomans then the British-French then the Zionists.

    They never had the time or resources to develop their own power, their own army while they were under colonial rule. And to pretend that Jordan, Lebanon or Syria ever had their own “sovereignty” is a joke at best.

    But it’s always divide and conquer, not unite and prosper isn’t it?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    That's antisemitism! The IDF should annex the UN. /s

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    UN over there rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Hamas shouldn't drop arms till israel end occupation

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