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[+] -28 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

Correct. Humans only respond to violence. Pacifists and limp-wrist Lefties waving signs and chanting aren't going to make change.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Studies show non-violent protests have been the most effective.

    But violent people do set the bar for their own treatment, sometimes.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I know what you're talking about, but there are tons of problems with that study, mainly ignoring the radical flank effect and failing to account for the fact that a weaker regime will be less able to enforce its will using violence.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Please cite said studies. Apologies, but I can't read anything on the internet without assuming it's complete bullshit without sources

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    https://cup.columbia.edu/book/why-civil-resistance-works/9780231156837/

    This is the work that's often being referenced when talking about non-violent vs violent resistance, and the 3.5% participation claim.

    I don't see any references for your claims either.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I don't see any references to your claims...

    https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

    https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470674871.wbespm174

    https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/keystone-xl-protesters-science-joe-nocera-bill-mckibben/

    http://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/543

    https://archive.org/details/politicsofwomens00free

    http://www2.cortland.edu/schools/arts-and-sciences/herbert-h.-haines.dot

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150402133541/http://irasilver.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Reading-Movement-funding-Haines.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/blackradicalsciv0000hain/page/n6/mode/1up

    https://web.archive.org/web/20150101221603/http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc12-1_004

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/share/VHEHHFBAANC7ZUNFWK3A?target=10.1111/j.1541-1338.2011.00498_3.x

    https://books.google.com/books?id=aKt8f_PpRSQC

    http://www.teachingforchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Crosby-this_nonviolent_stuff.pdf

    http://nyupress.org/books/book-details.aspx?bookId=10963#.U1XprsJOVjo

    http://government.arts.cornell.edu/assets/psac/sp14/Gupta_PSAC_Feb7.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/socialmovementsr2edunse

    http://www.citizenshandbook.org/movements.pdf

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/9/4/6/p109468_index.html

    http://ibrarian.net/navon/paper/Radical_Flank_Effects__The_Effect_of_Radical__Mod.pdf?paperid=23267

    https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Chenoweth.Schock.Contemporaneous.Armed_.Challenges.pdf

    https://archive.org/details/strategyofsocial0000gams_d3m9

    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/blair-taylor-from-alterglobalization-to-occupy-wall-street

    https://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/4pw6j9s1.pdf;origin=repeccitec

    https://www.academia.edu/18313197/Rethinking_Radical_Flank_Theory_South_Africa

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_flank_effect

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Which of these 23 links backs up the claim that "people only respond to violence," or, paraphrasing, non-violent resistance is ineffective?

    I tried to skim a couple, but the synopsis on one was simply a recounting of black power tactics from the 70s, and another was a wiki page about the radical flank effect, which actually referenced the book I linked to support the claim that having a violent radical flank appeared to have no positive effect. Other references sometimes found a positive effect, but I can't really compare the merits of the sources.

    Honestly, having a pile of obscure links to whip out in favor of political violence is, at a minimum, odd.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Bullshit. We're not talking about gaining political rights in peacetime. You will not stop a genocidal army with words and flowers.

    And honestly, at this point implying otherwise is almost on complicity territory

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    The Velvet Revolution was only peaceful because it was inevitable. It's not nearly that simple when the political winds are against you or even neutral, as seen in Syria. This is also why Romania, which was politically isolated from the Eastern Bloc, went into violent revolt.

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