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[–] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

And the police wonder why people don't respect them and say things like "All Coppers Are Bastards".

My last few interactions with the police in Notts have been pretty dumb.

My neighbour was screaming some horrible things to a kid like "you're a cunt" and "you don't deserve to be in my care". I called 111 because I didn't think there was any violence happening but I was worried about the kid and the way they were being treated and said if you need to talk to me, they could ring. They sent out a car, was there for maybe 10 mins then rang me back and said it was fine they were "having an argument about something else", whatever that means. Then I was called an hour later and was told I'd asked to speak to someone. I've no idea where that came from, I didn't, I said they could speak to me if they need to multiple times on the call, unsure how that translated to me wanting to speak to someone higher up.

Time before that, they were out to investigate an argument between two 15 year olds at a local school, they sent out two cars and blocked both my driveway and my neighbours for over 2 hours, and refused to move their cars, even though there was plenty of space that wasn't blocking drive ways, and they spent most of that time stood in front of their cars doing naff all.

The time before that I was punched in the face by some addict being a dickhead, I reported the assault, they called me 3 times to ask me where it happened, I gave street names, they said they couldn't find it and asked if I had any CCTV evidence. I asked if I could send them a link to Google maps as they can't find it and was told they're "not allowed to use Google maps". Why I have to do the investigation for them I don't know.

Notts police are fucking useless unless they're protecting the racist mobs that travel here to march. They also brag on Facebook about busting people for cannabis.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I was abused by a group of South Wales Police officers in broad daylight after being unable to walk nor even talk (let alone move much at all).
    They magically "do not have any recorded footage of that day". Their cameras are useless when they can just claim "oh there must have been a technical error".

    Terrible folks up and down the place, it seems.

    I grew up in support of the police, then I grew up.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Hope he sues the fuck out of them.

    "That's not a gardening tool", says the oppressors tool.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Wait so the police arrested him for hours and stole his gardening tools even though he could reasonably prove he was gardening?

    And he now has a caution on record?!

    Wtaf

    The fact the officers didn't even know what a fucking allotment was is fucking baffling

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    This sounds like a cut and dry lawsuit honestly. Illegal detainment if nothing else. Especially now having a warning on perment record when no crime was committed?

    Lawyers should be lining up around the block for this guy.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    He was then taken to a police station and questioned. “They started asking questions, like if I was autistic or anything like that, asking me whether I’d ever been in the army, whether I told people I was in the army,” he said.

    What the fuck is going on anymore. Dude can't even bring his gardening tools home without some Karen calling the cops on him, then the treatment by the cops is absolutely absurd. What the fuck are they even insinuating? Then they wouldn't even listen to the answers he gave and seemed to have basic comprehension issues.

    The world will be a better place when we're gone 🥂

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    That last sentence bundles all of the best of humanity with the worst of humanity into one.

    We can co-exist with the Earth. A small minority unfortunately dictate what we can and cannot do. That does not negate the majority who are, on the whole, not complete assholes bent on bending others to their will

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have a hori hori knife and a Japanese garden sickle. Both can only be mistaken for weapons if you are the kind of person who thinks everyone is a criminal

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that a combo knife and shovel?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Sounds plausible. I knew someone once who was arrested by Greater Manchester Police for "going equipped for burglary" because he had a pair of black jogging bottoms and a black t-shirt in a bag. He was on his way home from the gym.

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  • I was obviously in shock. I was struggling to think straight, struggling to talk properly, because I was pretty scared. I was answering the questions honestly, whatever they asked me, because I hadn’t done anything wrong in my mind.

    Let this be a lesson for anybody that reads this. Don’t say a fucking word to the police, they’re not there to help you and will use what you say against you. You say solicitor and no comment. That’s it.

    Not knocking this guy as he didn’t know. I was arrested at 18 for a group fight and I was naive and honest and next thing we are all in crown court looking at jail time, luckily it was CS for 300 hours in the end but never ever ever talk to the cops if your under suspicion of something, especially true if you’re in fact innocent.

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    [–] 95 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    When he was arrested, Rowe said, the officer pulled the trowel out of its sheath, and said: “That’s not a garden tool.”

    “I said it is, because it was in the Niwaki-branded pouch that you get at garden centres,” Rowe said.

    Rowe said police had questioned him on whether he was “planning on doing something” with the tools, and he said he was also asked to explain what an allotment was.

    “I had to explain in very basic terms what an allotment is to this guy,” he said. “So it didn’t fill me with a lot of confidence that I was going to be let off.”

    Manchester's brightest at work. Experts enough to know what is and isn't a garden tool but don't know what an allotment is 🙄 ACAB

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    I'm pretty sure they're quizzing him about allotment, something a gardener should know. Get him to talk so they can catch him on something.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    He should have waited for a solicitor.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Rowe said he was interviewed without legal representation as officers had been unable to reach a solicitor, and after spending several hours in custody he said he accepted a caution so he would be released.

    He was stopped at 12:20pm, it's not like everyone had gone home for the day. What's he supposed to do at that point? He's already been waiting "several hours", it's not like there's gonna be more solicitors working after five o'clock. It sucks, but being able to go home and fight it afterwards seems like the best option. Especially with national news coverage on your side

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Possibly. It seems like a situation where an autistic man was banged up in an unpleasant cell and they broke him.

    I do not know if overturning a caution is as easy as avoiding it. Heard people getting similar police records and being unable to overturn them at all because they weren't convictions.

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  • [+] [S] -11 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    These cops are bastards. Some cops are nice and genuine. This isn't America. Stop trying to import american trump degeneracy into our fair kingdom

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    ACAB is legitimate here. It's not a Trumpism. Day to day community policing, yes, you can have good interactions with them. But they also have no qualms smashing a peaceful protestor over the head with a baton if they're allowed as well. There's been enough stories of corruption and abuse within multiple UK police forces, throughout its history and in modern times, to say ACAB.

    Also, is it fuck a fair kingdom.

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  • [+] [S] -14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Loud minority. Everytime I have been involved with the police they went above and beyond.

    Also, is it fuck a fair kingdom.

    Privilege

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Unfortunately your anecdotal evidence doesn't change history. My experience has been very mixed bag. Some have been despicable bastards and some, as you said, have gone above and beyond. But their history, and government inquiries confirming institutional racism etc cements them still in the bastard category.

    I do believe they're improving, the force isn't just 6ft+ white, straight, cis, British men any more. It's diverse enough that homophobia, racism, etc are challenged and not tolerated like they once were, but it still happens. They're still not good enough to throw off the badge of ACAB.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    SCAB,SAAD

    Some cops are bastard, some are actually decent

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    SICCMABRAHBTIOTPISCBVITTNWTDBTIATOWWACYHPTALRAMASTDILA

    Some Individual Cops May Actually Be Reasonable And Honest But The Institution Of The Police Is So Corrupted By Vested Interests That There's No Way To Distinguish Between Those Individuals And The Ones Who Would Actively Cause You Harm Plus They're Almost All Racist And Mysoginist Anyway So The Distinction Is Largely Academic

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Most aren't. Every single police officer I have interacted with has been reasonable. I only hear about these issues when they make the news.

    Don't get me wrong, it needs improving, there shouldn't be any racism or misogyny in there, but I think just dismissing them as bastards when these are the people who'd put their lives on the line for us if we were threatened is unfair.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ACAB applies even for the nice and genuine cops.

    It's about criticisms of policing as an institution, not individuals

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago

    It's about criticisms of policing as an institution, not individuals

    No, ACAB literally means "all cops are bastards". It removes room for ambiguity. It's not like someone saying "fuck the police". And then they can say "I mean the institution".

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I got age checked to buy a blender in Currys yesterday.

    I am 56

    We are fucked.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Several decades ago my dad was pulled over on the way to work and questioned about my sisters toy knitting needle and what he intended to do with it…

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    For those who may not know what a Hori Hori is:

    To the cops I'm sure they saw:

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yeah, he was treated poorly but the concern is understandable IMO

    You can’t walk around in public with what looks a lot like a combat knife and then act surprised when the police show up.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    But you can be surprised when the police don't let you go after realising the thing is mostly blunt. What looks like a knife edge on the right hand side of that picture isn't sharpened like a knife, it's more like how a spade has a keened edge, because it's a fancy type of trowel. The saw edge is sharp though, but again, not as sharp as a wood saw.

    Plus, the law allows for the carrying of a knife for a reasonable legitimate purpose. The accused was carrying a basket of vegetables, having just harvested them using the "knife". It's a legitimate purpose, and it wasn't even a knife.

    Add on that it was also sheathed, and we have a clear case of moron cops being heavy handed and abusing the law.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago*

    He should have waited for a solicitor in all honesty. He ended up being coerced into accepting the charges by the sound of things. Basically an autistic person being taken advantage of.

    I can understand the armed response. I have heard similar stories and a lot of the time people have a good laugh about it after, if they aren't too traumatised.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    The Guardian's photographer had an absolute whale of a time with this article.

    Look at those dreamy vegetable garden scenes.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago*

    The actual tools Niwaki Hori Hori gardening trowel in a canvas sheath, and an Ice Bear Japanese gardener’s sickle.

    The Niwaki Hori Hori gardening trowel

    And theNiwaki Ice Bear Japanese gardener’s sickle.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    A timely reminder to never accept a caution (unless you are damn sure you would also plead guilty in court - because that's essentially what you're doing).

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Why couldn't the cop just:

    "Hey, love your music man!"
    "Huh? My music?"
    "Dude, you totally resemble Robert Smith from The Cure!"

    "Ooh hahaha, thanks."
    "So, what I actually approached you for, we've had a call that reported a shady looking person carrying a knife in this area. You seem fine, but just double checking because, well, we see weird shit sometimes and don't want to be negligent."
    "Aha okay, fair enough. Well these look like knives perhaps but they are actually professional gardening tools. I can show you my masterpiece actually."
    […] after a 20 minute tour in his garden.
    "So cool man, should get my ass into nature more too. Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your time and understanding. Have a good one."
    "Cheers, see you around."


    ✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reminds me of the cops that arrested a legally blind man for having his guide stick (I don’t know the proper terminology) folded up in his back pocket. He was able to see in daylight, but needed it at night. They called it a weapon. This was in the USA.

    ACAB.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    When he was arrested, Rowe said, the officer pulled the trowel out of its sheath, and said: “That’s not a garden tool.”

    [Aussie accent] "That's not a garden tool. This is a garden tool!"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    UK weapon laws freak my American mind out. You can carry a folding, non-locking knife with a blade of less than 3 inches, without any justification or excuse?! Is violent knife crime a thing over there?

    This stupid thing blows my mind. All I see are a bunch of harmless pocket knives.

    I know, bag on the American who can carry a gun. LOL, I could carry a sword in public were I so inclined, and I often carry a machete in the woods. Believe it or not, straight to jail.

    To practical matters, how do y'all transport kitchen knives, axes and other tools? Serious. And think on this, if you intend harm or self-defense, why not just carry a standard 2lb. hammer?

    Also, two of my worst self-inflicted wounds were from non-locking knives, won't touch them any longer.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You cannot carry pepper spray to defend yourself. You don't need it because knives are illegal /s

    The pocket knife thing is basically for Swiss army knives.

    A hammer wouldn't be allowed either.

    You can transfer kitchen knives and tools. That's allowed. And what the guy in this article did is legal. But what happened was the police made him admit to something he wasn't doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    So what I'm hearing is if you want to commit a violent crime just wear a hard hat/hi-vis vest and say you're going to hammer things at work? Or put on a funny chef hat and walk around freely with your knives? Seems like the regulation only exists as fig leaf for minority profiling and harassing young people.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    Or just grab a knife, put it in your bag and don't get caught. The police will only find out if they randomly stop and search you, which I think is probably a sub 1% chance, especially if you're a well dressed white briton.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Forgot the pepper spray thing! LOL fuck me that causes no tissue damage!

    Yes, the law sounds very specifically written to allow a Victorinox full size. Was thinking on that writing my post. "Guess I could carry my Swiss?"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not full size, Victorinox used to make mostly 91 mm knives, they have a smaller size for UK legal ones. If you get the modern ones (111mm) they'll treat you like you have a nuke in your pocket (even though the army model would be a real shit weapon even if it locks open, it's not that pointy and the blade is mostly serrated).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is violent knife crime a thing over there?

    yes we've had spikes of knife attacks over recent years, a lot of it is gang related, with kids stabbing rival gang members in tit-for-tat spirals of violence.

    Knife crime in general is nowhere near as bad as it is in America (and of course as you point out you guys have gun violence on top of that), but the UK is historically a peaceful country and our tolerance of friends and family being murdered in the street is a lot lower than yours.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    One note, and not one to say we don't have a gun problem. But when you tear it down, half the gun deaths are suicides, much of the rest is gang related, remainder being family and friends killing each other. The notion that there's random shootings all over the place is false.

    Notice what we report on! Brown people killing each other barely rates a blurb in local media, if any. AR-15 involved? ALL the reporting. Guy went bugshit in Maine, killed a bunch of people, no reporting on the weapon. (It was an AR-10, basically an AR-15.) Random violence gets headlines.

    Most gun violence sites rate any shooting on school grounds as a "school shooting". I could pop one off at midnight at the local high school. School shooting! Cop shoots a kid. School shooting! While horryfying, it just doesn't happen as much as it's made out. We had plenty of guns when I was a kid, no school shootings until Columbine popularized the sport.

    I feel this gets the point across. You might notice the MotherJones numbers, hardly a conservative site.

    Maybe I'll contradict my earlier statement; America doesn't have a gun problem, America has a culture problem. I can illustrate using a local anecdote.

    Local guy sees someone breaking into the empty trailer which is on his lot. Motherfucker thought it was A-OK to hide inside the treeline and shoot the guy the next night. He felt within his rights to hunt another human being. People on NextDoor.com were defending the shooter. Well, the cops disagreed, that's murder one.

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