cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/33354137

We believe the benefits of AI are too great to miss, and the risks too serious to ignore. Whether we like it or not, AI is here to stay, but the current iterations of AI reflect a failure to learn from the past. That’s why we built Lumo — a private AI assistant that only works for you, not the other way around. With no logs kept and every chat encrypted, Lumo keeps your conversations confidential and your data fully under your control — never shared, sold, or stolen.

You can start using Lumo today for free, even if you don’t have a Proton Account. Just go to lumo.proton.me and type in a query.

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[+] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm still waiting for SimpleLogin to release the credit card # privacy product they were planning at the time Proton bought them, years ago.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I cancelled my years old account a few days ago when I started to receive the damned "try our Xyz" popup bullshit on their website.

    The bugs that are never fixed, the "new products" coming in no one asked, and not having a proper Linux support for the drive...

    Can we talk about the marvelous idea that is the bridge? Gotta reinstall the certificate once a month or so.

    I had enough of a subpar email service. If I want encrypted email, I'll do it myself thank you.

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    I like the logo. That cat looks appropriately suspicious.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    How does chat encryption matter when it needs to be processed on their servers? It's not like messaging where they just act as a middleman by sending a message from point A to point B, they're actually having to process a query.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I don't understand it too, e2e encryption but the AI has to process the data somehow :L ???

    EDIT: If they refer to encryption as just encryption on message transport that's just HTTPs, to verify that they are not saving your data, the backend source code needs to be available to analyze it.

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  • a part of the point is, all the data used by the AI is encrypted so it cannot be accessed by anyone except your device.

    chatgpt, for example, will incorporate everything you say and do into its own model. Lumo doesnt as your prompts/results are only used if unencrypted by your device.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    If your encryption is not a layer on top of a messaging service, you have to trust that the service you're using is actually end-to-end encrypted. I point this out because it means that encryption is not a protection against he service not doing what it says it does, but rather it is a protection against other things: passing data to governments, having a hacker break in and leak it, that kind of thing.

    By storing stuff securely, it mitigates that problem, I guess. A government would have to have a "live tap" to know what you write to the LLM, rather than being able to slurp out all your historical conversations.

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  • in systems i've seen with severe encryption, the data is only unencrypted by the actual processing engine. otherwise, its encrypted at the field level, during transit and at rest. yes, you have to trust the processing engine isnt doing anything nefarious, but at some level you have to trust something. proton has a solid history of trust despite the one idiot that works there.

    youre not smelting your own processors for example. if youre not forging your own processors then youre just not secure!

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Proton keeps doing the wrong things. Ugh.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I came so close to switching over to them at the start of the year. I was in the middle of planning that change, then their founder or CEO or whoever he is started going political. So I held off. And now just like everyone else they've jumped on the AI bandwagon.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago*

    Hard no. My LLM conversations are confidential because they happen locally offline. I dont need a corporation having access, thanks.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Why does Proton come off as a vapid American technology company that leverages privacy themed keywords in their PR copytext?

    I say this as someone who has been using their email services for many years (I am a subscriber too).

    I also don't necessarily oppose a privacy focused cloud LLM from Proton. It's more the tone of the blogpost, the misleading service comparison table under "Compare Lumo with other leading AI assistants" and where their priorities lie.

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    We still don't have Proton Drive on Linux, and they think we give a flying fuck about some god damn AI chatbot slop machine?

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  • "private" so andy can give any conversation he wishes right to the white house and his bestie.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why is this down voted?

    It is good to know that proton does this.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because people are mostly incapable of using the button as anything other than "I like this" or "I don't like this".

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  • Yeah, it's a reasonably informative post, I'm glad I know about this new information and it's on topic for this Com. So from that standpoint should be an upvote to support more posts like this here / from this OP.

    It makes me upset that Proton is doing this, but my downvotes won't let them know about it.

    If it's news I'm not interested in I could consider downvoting to discourage the topic, but I could more effectively put a Proton filter or an LLM filter on.

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