cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/33333666

I love malicious compliance with car-centric rules 😎

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[–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This looks more fun than just sitting on the side of the road

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's a bit of an ass move to block that horribly small sidewalk though.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The problem is on-street parking. Removing it would easily allow for plenty of space for pedestrians and businesses.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Keeping shit off the sidewalk doesn't seem very car centric to me, hell, damn near the opposite.

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not stupid if it blocks pedestrians from using the sidewalk. I mean, imagine putting them tables all across the road for cars... I think this is a creative and good solution for everybody.

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Good. Ban all fucking sidewalk tables. Why? Because they're on the fucking SIDEWALK, where people fucking walk.

    But that's modern journalism for you, an asshole without empathy making stupid assumptions. Plus zero awareness of the disabled and their need to use clear sidewalks for mobility.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    We have one of these in Prague

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Fuck these people. Sidewalks are for fucking walking, not for extra space for your stupid fucking restaurant.

    "I'll just take over the entire sidewalk with tables and chairs!" - Asshole

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Eh its hardly a one size fits all case. These companies employ and pay community taxes as well as a host of others. If it is feasible they should be allowed to do this. Get rid of the parking after 5pm and put out seating. Sidewalk is free and there is extra space.

    Tbh I love when restaurants have huge outside patio, courtyard spaces.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In some places here in Sweden, restaurants with sidewalk tables have an extra "lane" for pedestrians installed in parallel over the side of the street, like a protected boardwalk

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We can get rid of the parking spots and put the side walks there while ahopa can use the space outside their shop for whatever they see fit. It's good for communities to have people out and doing things, not just shoved away inside somewhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Get rid of the parking, sure. Extend the footpath/sidewalk into that space, sure. But the footpath/sidewalk outside their shop is publicly-owned, it's not private property. Will the shopkeepers commit to keeping clean and tidy? Will they commit to maintaining it (cracks in concrete, trip hazards, etc), or is that still the council's job? I don't think they should get to use it for free, or without some sort of commitment to maintain it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Extra free floor space. Or do those cafes and restaurants pay some sort of permit fee?

    Because I hate pedestrian bottlenecks caused by cafe tables on the footpath. Even worse when groups of tourists stop walking right there to stare at the menu and discuss whether to have lunch there or somewhere else. Move aside, please. Not all of us are on holidays.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Don't know Brazilian law, but here distributing alcohol to that platform would be illegal.

    Can restaurants sell alcohol as a takeaway in Brazil? If so, it would be hard to forbid that, unless you have a law about drinking in public outside restaurant premises.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not Brazilian. But as someone who has had the privilege to travel around in the past, the US was the only country I visited that had these super strict Puritan Alcohol laws.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think many countries have those laws, whether or not they’re strictly enforced.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_in_public

    Also depends on where in the US. Bourbon street? Las Vegas? Atlantic City? Go for it. It’s also one of those things where it’s an unspoken rule. Community concert on the green? Just don’t have an open beer, put it into a cup and people will care less and it’s hard for cops to say anything.

    It’s certainly strange, but I think the issue here is cops being more militaristic, especially against those they think they can get an easy arrest, rather than our country being the only one with drinking in public laws.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Liquor licensing for restaurants is a think in many places in the world. So are building codes.

    There might be some very good reasons for not allowing restaurants to arbitrarily setup chairs on raised platforms with no railings above concrete and then serve liquor up there.

    This is a TBI waiting to happen.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Liquor Liscence is common. Policing where people are allowed to drink what they bought is pretty uncommon.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'm Brazilian, and I'll say I have no idea what a "take away"alcohol purchase means. Here you can open the can inside the market, drink it as you purchase as long as you pay it on the way out. Never heard of any laws against drinking in public, only about selling alcohol to minors and drunk driving

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    Brazilian here.

    It's legal to sell alcohol as takeway and its legal to drink outside of public restaurant premises.

    From the top of my head the only place that isnt allowed to sell alcohol is in football stadiums in some states. Some can still sell it but only in plastic cups.

    I don't really see a problem (aside from some drunk person falling off the platform while trying to go to the bathroom) in this solution. This could very well be in place as a permanent solution to this pub.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Now I want to see taco trucks where you get on the truck and eat tacos while they tour the city or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If they’re willing to risk, along with the customers, to have folks get off that flat bed after some alcohol consumption, go for it. Keep the sidewalk for foot traffic, neighborhood kids playing and older folks to get around without obstacles.

    This is a humble neighborhood with working class folks, in a typically hot and humid environment with limited or zero AC, and they probably have small apartments so you need these comfortable options to chill and enjoy time with friends and family after busting your ass working all month. I see this as a win for everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    older folks to get arround without obstacles Bro has not seen a Brazilian sidewalk, there are light posts in the middle of it, and the owners of the buildings are responsible for maintaining it, so every 10 meters there is a giant step and some rough terrain. Brazil has horrible urban planning and walkability, the city hall decision just sounds like carbrain to me. "The sidewalk is small so we will push people indoors" Why is the sidewalk small in the first place?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I haven’t been to all of Brasil and you’re right, sidewalks come in all shapes and sides. Or non existent. My theory on why sidewalks are small in some cities is that local governments make the streets too wide for trucks to pass.

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    [–] 68 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Well… there’s two sides to this. The sidewalk there looks narrow. Banning tables might have been a measure to make walking easier and remove cars.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Or you could turn that parking spot on a nice service area. As it is done in many countries now. We need to stop giving that much space to cars and trucks

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And if we do, charge for parking. Lots of charging.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Even then its renting out public space. Imo just let the restaurants rent it for the same rate. Why do we need to reserve like 40% of our public spaces for car owners?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Pushing for paid parking will help to move in the right direction. The funding can help to improve and install walking / biking infrastructure and public transit. It can be a deterrent to car drivers, potentially causing them to opt into using those other services. As well as mitigate traffic and shift congestion.

    Paid parking is always better for the anti car movement than free parking. It's a means to an end of car culture.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Or you just make the street for humans, and with that have enough space for sidewalk patio tables and people to walk and cycle through

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I’m sure that municipality has the cash lying around to just redesign all their streets. Why didn’t they think of that?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Redesigning streets for humans actually is an investment that will pay for itself in time. You could tax the restaurants for the patios, for example.

    Since you take away heavy car traffic, the street will need less maintenance

    Now that your street is nicely walkable, put some trees in, make it look nice, have restaurant and bar patios out, and you'll have much,uchore people visiting, making restaurants earn higher profits, making then also pay more taxes, again.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Gives a whole new meaning to "fell off a truck"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Honestly don't see the point of sitting outside in such places.

    Oh nice, now I can breath petrol fumes and listen to engines while I have my dinner. Good job.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think I'm missing something. In this case the car saved the day, didn't it?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    From car-centric, anti-human laws

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    why should laws not be anti-human? We're destroying the environment

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Malicious compliance lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Brazilian problems require Brazilian solutions.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Bro should charge extra to drive around

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I mean, they're off the sidewalk aren't they?

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