cross-posted from: https://pawb.social/post/52784891

Posted in wrong one at first lol lmao

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[–] 22 points 17 hours ago (8 children)
  • [–] 10 points 17 hours ago* (7 children)

    It seems like it's just compound words, yeah? Looks like a small set of patterns along the lines of

    koi (object) kaan/ko/ni/me/an/etc

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  • [–] 20 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

    It's not a compound word (i.e. two words mashed together), it's a single word with suffixes.

    koirinennekokaan = koir | i | nen | ne | ko | kaan

    Translates to something like "Even with your dogs?"

    But to be clear, it's basically a word that is possible through the suffixes but no one actually uses. Even "koirinenne" (with your dogs) sounds a bit too formal. You just can't say stuff like "painukaa hiiteen siitä koirinenne" (get the heck out of here with your dogs) without a monocle and top hat.

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    Really interesting. What makes it too formal? Just an archaic form? How would you make it sound normal?

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  • [–] 11 points 14 hours ago*

    It's not really a question of it being archaic, because it's still standard language.

    It's just that elaborate use of suffixes is more common in literary text, rather than spoken language. So that kind of words tend to stick out. Makes you look book-smart and like.

    In this case, a more common spoken expression would be like "teidän koirien kanssa". Just breaking up the "optimal" word usage into three words.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago*

    Personally I think it's just the second person plural there, which can be interpreted as a T-V distinction:

    The T–V distinction is expressed in a variety of forms; two particularly common means are:

    addressing a single individual using the second-person plural forms in the language, instead of the singular (e.g. in French);

    The first person singular forms of the same words (koirinesi, koirinesikokaan) sound a lot less formal to my ear and at least the former I would definitely use if I were talking to some singular person with multiple dogs.

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  • [–] 11 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

    Suomen kieli is not a real language 🐕犬𓃡

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  • [–] 22 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

    I CAST:

    CURSE OF RA!

    𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀮 𓀯 𓀰 𓀱 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁌 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆

    that'll teach you to spread disinformation on the internet!

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  • [–] 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    I think you mispelt "Ekerhepetet", I'm pretty sure you cursed him with eternal life

    ☝️ 1
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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    eternal life is no blessing.

    it is a curse, to watch all you love disintegrate, and to never have a true equal, as you will always be the last one standing.

    the best punishment for my enemies is for them to live to see their works crumble, and their names be forgotten.

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  • ypu could make this joke with Estonian and Hungarian too

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  • [–] 4 points 5 hours ago*

    Hmm, there aren't that many noun cases in Finnish, AFAIK our brothers only have one more than we do, or perhaps the same amount. So this isn't purely conjugation. E.g singular conjugation in Estonian:

    Koer, koera, koera, koera(sse optionally - this one can often be shortened into the previous one, normally has -sse ending), koeras, koerast, koerale, koeral, koeralt, koerani, koerana, koerata, koeraga, koeraks)

    What Suomiball seems to be doing, is adding suffixes. Which we can also do in Estonian:

    Koeralegi - even to the dog (koerale = to the dog, -gi = even), example: "koeralegi tundub see mõte loll" - "it seems like a stupid idea even to the dog"

    Koeratagi - even without the dog, in the same style

    Koeratu - dogless

    Koeratule - to the dogless (singular person still, not cheating! plural would be koeratutele)

    Koeralik - dogly

    Koeratus - the state of being without a dog

    The thing is, each of these new forms I created have all the 14 cases just like the word dog itself. So between "koer", "koeratu", "koeratus", "koeralik", we can have 56 singular + 56 plural forms and the +gi/ki can be added to any of those just how I added it to two of the original word's cases, meaning we really have 112 singular + 112 plural forms we can write here...

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    Finnish isn't even Germanic!

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago

    I love SatW!

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    [–] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

    Ahh hungarian does the same tho arguably it has more forms. As far as i know finnish has 5 kinds of possesive forms, two numbers and 15 cases indicated on a noun while hungarian(generally cause there are a few more or less depending on noun and what you count) has 6 possesive forms, two numbers and 19 cases(so normally you would count 19 but one of those doesnt apply to general nouns like "dog" so its 18 but then theres one that doesnt count as a case but functions exactly like one so id say still 19 in this case and that hungarian actually has 20 cases) and two bonus possesive forms. If you multiply everything up you get 180 forms for finnish and 266-400ish(but the bonus possesive forms can form infinite loops so actually technically its infinite) for hungarian. Heres a simplified explanation of this:

    -Two basic numbers are "kutya" for dog and "kutyák" for dogs

    -19 cases(or "case-like" suffixes):

    Nominative: kutya(not marked, the actor in a sentence so "the dog chases the cat")

    Accusative: kutyát(the one being chased in the previous example)

    Dative: kutyának(kinda like "to", "i gave it to the dog", but also indicates a genative so some people count it seperately but its the same form so it doesnt really matter)

    Instrumental-comitative: kutyával(english "with")

    Causal-final: kutyáért("for" the dog)

    Translative-factive: kutyává("into" in the sense of "turn into a dog")

    Inessive: kutyában("in")

    Illative: kutyába(into)

    Elative: kutyából("from" but like "out from the inside", also used if something is made out of a specific material, or if you say something like "there are too many dogs here")

    Superessive: kutyán("on")

    Sublative: kutyára("onto")

    Delative: kutyáról("from on top of")

    Adessive: kutyánál("at", also used to mark possesion "the toy is at the dog")

    Allative: kutyához("to" but more like the side of thing usually, not directly to the dog but close to the dog)

    Ablative: kutyától("from")

    Terminative: kutyáig("until", a destination)

    Essive-formal: kutyaként("as", literally, if dracula turns into a bat and bites someone youd say "as a bat" with "denevérként")

    Essive-modal: kutyául("as", more like the manner, dracula bit someone like he was a dog but wasnt actually a dog "kutyául")

    -And then my bonus, sociative: kutyástul(i guess "both", if someone kidnaps you and also takes the dog cause like you were walking the dog or some shit, you say "both the dog and me were kidnapped" "kutyástul elraboltak")

    Then you have the possesive forms which are basically just "mine", "yours"(singular), "his/her/its/their", "ours", "yalls" and "their".

    You also have the bonus forms which are like asking the question "Who's bone is this?" and you answer "the dog's" which in hungarian is marked with "-é" so "kutyáé" and then also another one which is better illustrated with a name like "Péter"(Peter) so if you say "we ate dinner with the company of Peter" that would be "Péterékkel" but just the possesive thingy is "-ék" so peter and his company is "Péterék".

    Uhh yeah. Also the infinite loop means "kutyáéiéiéinek" is grammatically correct tho nobody would say this. But ive heard a few layers deep in actual conversations so thats a thing.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    I love our weird as fuck languages 🤝

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  • [–] 2 points 10 hours ago

    Funniest thing is for eachother(at least when i see finnish grammar) even things that are different seem logical. Like you have a form that means something like "without a dog" which we dont have but i can form something that is grammatically incorrect yet people would understand like "kutyátlanul" while the correct form would be "kutya nélkül". Also its even funnier cause the grammar might be very similar but the words arent. I have a finnish friend who learned a bit of hungarian and he said in his group(mixed nationalities) he picked up on the grammar way faster then anyone else but for vocabulary south slavic people were much faster. Tho now i live in sweden so i actually get a fair bit of exposure to finnish.

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