The fact that you can turn it off is a good thing and is why Firefox is a good option.
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Waterfox as well
I tell people Waterfox if you just want Firefox without the bullshit.
LibreWolf if you're more hardcore about privacy and are willing to deal with the occasional site not working.
I have both installed but mainly use LibreWolf. I have Waterfox for "irl stuff" like banking/shopping, etc stuff that doesn't approve of VPN use and I have to enter my real details into anyway.
Yup, waterfox on phone, librewolf on pc 🤘
You mean ironfox on phone, librewolf on PC?
What's the difference between waterfox and ironfox?
LibreWolf if you’re more hardcore about privacy and are willing to deal with the occasional site not working.
I used both Libre and Firefox; sometimes you need a browser that will just load the website without you having to faff about.
Thanks for making me aware that there was yet another bullshit "feature" I needed to disable.
Yeah, i gave up self managing the adware and went to the Firefox fork, LibreWolf
I've considered doing the same myself. How has it been working out for you?
been running it for a year, not bad, had to just allow webgl coz so many sites won't load properly without it
That's good news as far as I'm concerned. I've got WebGL disabled in Firefox now. Frankly, if a website needs direct access to my GPU to run, I don't need that website.
What does add-on support look like? The baseline privacy looks (very) good, but I think I'd still like things like umatrix to block unnecessary or unwanted resource requests and to prevent running any extraneous javascript etc. An ad-blocker like ublock origin goes without saying. I refuse to access the WWW without one.
If that ever becomes impossible, I'll switch to Gemini exclusively :)
i think it's mostly the same as firefox for extensions, i have UBO, improve youtube, Twitchtv adblock, allow rightclick
I wanted to see what Floorp does and got this on my first test

anyone know the about:config value key?
edit: found it. Set browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.all to false. For anyone not using user.js, I highly recommend it. It means you only ever have to find these settings once. I keep mine in a git repo so it's easy to transport between machines.
Can you expand on user.js.
Is that the arkenfox user profile? How do you upload it? How often is it updated?
Sure. User.js is a file you can add in your Firefox profile directory which gets loaded each time Firefox starts.
Pretty good documentation here: https://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js_file
The arkenfox one is a fully loaded pro-privacy user.js made by some knowledgeable people. I did use that one for my initial version iirc: https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/blob/master/user.js
How often do I update it? Just when mozilla rolls out a new feature I don't like. I commit it to my repo, that way I easily take my settings to each different machine. You cannot change every FF setting with that file, but you can change the majority of them.
So two things: basically install user.js and forget it (except changing minor settings you want).
What about recommended extesnsions. It just says minimize extensions (which is a good policy), but which extensions are recommended to use with it.
Are there certain privacy extensions that are redundant because of it?
I understand I may be asking things outside of your purview, but I am curious how does this work.
Interesting enough, if I visit a fingerprinting site such as kuber.studio/cookie, it still recognizes me as a visitor, even with user.js.
Yeah, I'm not a privacy expert. And I didn't ever think of user.js as privacy protection personally. I use it to turn off AI and other things that annoy me. Privacy-wise I use OBO and few others. The arkenfox settings I used as a basis but I removed anything that wasn't ai related or that I didn't understand.
I think the main protection I'm looking for at the moment is fingerprinting protection. ON their site they do claim that, but there isn't much info (at least that I can understand about that).
If this isn’t a targetted advert in my browser, I don’t know what is.
Somewhere, a dastardly Mozilla engineer is cursing you out for figuring it out, even though they specifically labeled it ‘Sponsored’ as a double-bluff.
It’s crazy that you think this was the engineers’ idea and not someone like the marketing director using their corporate capital to force the dev team to implement it… like pretty much every other company
The phrasing that shows in my version on mobile is now "support Firefox with occasional sponsored suggestions," to try the guilt angle as well.
I am guessing the build in flathub ships with this turned off, I dont even have firefox suggest as a settings area. Nor is it in the build that ships with Fedora
Waterfox, Ironfox, Fennec, others
There's so many Firefox forks, just use that
Ah, dang. This is as real bummer. What do we do instead? Are we at the point of paying for this app?
I'm thinking about Signal too: software isn't free so where does the spend come from?
Use Waterfox or Librewolf. Or Zen. Or some other fork.
I have started regularly donating to foss projects, especially those who are clear on their limits of ai in code. Been donating to signal for years too.
https://servo.org would be the one to donate to for web independence specifically.
They're developing a new web engine, so an alternative to Blink/Chromium, Gecko, and WebKit.
The problem with Blink is that it's controlled by Google.
The problem with Gecko is that it's not portable at all - it can basically only be used in Firefox and Firefox forks. It's completely Mozilla and cannot be meaningfully detached.
WebKit is controlled by Apple, and GNOME Web is basically the only browser other than Safari using it.
Servo is modern and has some technical advantages I don't fully understand. It's made to integrate well in other projects, making it easy to integrate the web into all sorts of projects. Development was started by Mozilla, abandoned, and then taken over by the Linux foundation.
I don't trust Mozilla these days, and I never trust Google or Apple (though WebKit is cool). So I'm placing my bets on the Linux foundation.
(Web independence is of course many things, but I was thinking in terms of web browsers. Obviously a lot of open source projects contribute to the independent web in all kinds of ways.)
Check the box and forget the feature ever existed until you install the browser again from scratch. It's been there for 5 years, so it's not exactly a new or unsolved problem.
Okay, see you the next time this comes up.
It comes up every few months because someone forgets they ticked it off 5 years ago when the feature first released and then they reset their browser.
I would pay for Firefox if they kept updates like that off by default. Maybe they could have a screen that shows new options you can turn on which I'd happily ignore most of the time. It obviously takes tons of time to build a web browser so I expect it to get paid for somehow, but yeah, the on-by-default enshittification is no good.
as someone else suggested, a fork is the best way to go. if you are most concerned about privacy, Liberwolf is the way to go. if you want privacy, but aren't willing to go as far as Librewolf does, then Waterfox is a solid alternative that provides better privacy than Firefox.
Signal is funded by donations. They got a few pretty big ones a while ago from some wealthy donors, so I don't know whether the donations by normal people by now are enough to cover their costs. I try to donate a bit though, at least enough to cover my costs and those of a few of my friends.
like all you have to do is turn off the option in settings; you can even add it to your policies.json to end it everywhere.
And here's where you turn it off:
Yeah. That’s why none of us ever see that crap. It’s easy.
You know the reason why I see it? Because it's a new feature. I already had all of the other rubbish turned off - but guess what - they turn it on for you by default.
Because it’s a new feature.
the ads in your address bar were added back in October of '21.

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