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[–] 211 points 1 year ago (47 children)

Must be nice to be of the ownership/wealthy classes and be able to move away from the fascists during their rise to power. The rest of us will have to do our best to remember our own humanity while we watch people become nazis and trade their humanity away before the leopards eat their faces.

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  • [+] 70 points 1 year ago (30 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ironically, our king has incredibly limited power that is enforced by a strong belief that religion should be separate from politics and an independent judiciary. Your king doesn't seem to have the same hurdles

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yeah the Constitution has deep abiding flaws the fuck do you want me to do, vote? I've voted for 20yrs now

    I still think monarchy is trash and this argument sucks. Im gonna keep working toward something better.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    For now, yeah. I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation. Every one of them will hold you at gunpoint demanding money so they can build a library.

    But actively and swiftly the US is going full nazi. If one leaves I don’t blame them.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    For now, yeah. I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation. Every one of them will hold you at gunpoint demanding money so they can build a library.

    I'm not sure where the "gunpoint" part came from, but do you....not like libraries?

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    hahahah I love libraries. It’s a “reductio ad absurdum” that shows how a lack of tax payment will, eventually, result in a state destroying your everything, and when cops show up, it’s always at gunpoint. (at least in the US)

    Before you get to thinking I’m a libertarian, recall I mentioned all nation states are bad.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    recall I mentioned all nation states are bad.

    I'm not sure what you're advocating for instead of nations. Roving bands of nomads?

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    I mean … yes. (syndicalism) But this isn’t the thread for that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Who is paying for libraries under your preferred system?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (10 children)

    Local community members through fair, equitable, democratic, and at-will membership in the community. Co-ops are not a new idea.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Co-ops are not a new idea.

    Co-ops denote shared ownership usually via a buy-in. Wouldn't this replicate the existing Private Library concept?

    So no public libraries in your model or are you saying that a small portion of people would voluntarily pay for the library, but the entirety of the public would be able to use it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    The latter, yes. This happens here and there. Heck those “free little libraries” in front lawns count and are good for more than keeping drug drops dry.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Do you exclusively use the "free little libraries” in front lawns today for your library needs or do you also use the tax supported public libraries?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    nope, I volunteer at my local library as well as pay taxes owed (in addition to other areas of my small city like the fire dept, town commissions, and other things). what are you trying for here?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If you work at your local library, you have to see how much it costs of acquisition of the collections as well as the facilities and staff that make these wonderful institutions possible. Public Library funding is frequently under attack and underfunded with many communities lack the services needed to serve the needs they have.

    Do you honestly believe that in your preferred system of a small group of people voluntarily paying would be enough to replace the tax driven system we have today? Your suggestion about front lawn free libraries as a replacement suggests you may not have a full grasp on the expenses of a modern well run public library system.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    my suggestion is a cherry picked example of a cohort of things. my initial reply was absurd on purpose. yet you are replying like you’re arguing with bakunin.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You're proposing an alternative system. I don't know it, and was using your own example of a failing of the current system to see how your system corrects it. Should I have made wild assumptions instead and dismissed your thoughts?

    So far I from your responses haven't seen your proposed alternative to be viable.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No. i am stating how absurd is the current system in which we live. I am making no legitimate non-obnoxious alternative proposals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am making no legitimate non-obnoxious alternative proposals.

    My mistake. Your posts sounded like you were advocating for something specific as a different. Instead, you're saying the current system sucks and you know of nothing better? I'll agree with part of that.

    However, your example of the public library (a topic near and dear to my own heart) stuck out as its one area where the current system works okay at least.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Syndacalism isn't roving bands of nomads.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That is correct. Why do folks here seem to want doctoral level dissertations in the replies.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    People aren't friendly to anti tax rhetoric when it's been used to undermine our current democracy.

    Is our current system good? No. But it's getting overly theoretical to go off on taxes in this context.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    | I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation.

    you must not know many countries then or your definition of a good country must be weird.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    name me one without a history of war, slavery, genocide, or colonialism. bonus points if its entire history has allowed gay people to exist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    so if a country has ever been bad in its history, it's automatically also bad now? so, as i suspected your definition of a good country is weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    there are no good nation states. and to your first question: correct.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yup fuck these richies that flee with their money they made from being the spokespersons of the minority class they represent. They should stay and help fund the resistance but instead they say FYIGM.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I've seen a lot of comments on the Fediverse about people who have moved or aspire to move from red states to blue states. I hope they get the same level of vitriol in the future, just to keep things consistent.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You hope my wife and I get the same level of vitriol because we want to move to a state that won’t condemn her to death in the, likely for my wife, event that there are complications during a pregnancy???

    I hope you have the day you wish upon others.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was sarcasm. Commenter was quick to judge others for leaving an unfavorable environment instead of staying to fight. The reality is not everyone wants to put themselves and their families in danger for the cause.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Former moderator FlyingSquid moved to the UK from the US to protect a transgender child. I hadn't thought about it before now, but he must be part of the Ownership class.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    oh, wow. I thought they were still in Terre Haute. Good for them, though I don't understand what's so attractive about the U.K.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    He had enough British ancestry that he was able to get a citizenship (or already had dual citizenship? I dunno). Think that was the only reason for choosing the UK in particular over any other European country.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    two things can be true at the same time. some of us can afford it. some of us can’t.

    ellen certainly can. ellen is not working class.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Her money came from working, not ownership, inheritance, or management. She's rich, but still working class.

    Correction: Between the record company and "ED by Ellen" brand, she's been a member of the capitalist class since at least 2010

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    yes. but even rich artists become owner class when they transition to having staff they hold the hiring/firing power over. it’s not about the amount of money so much as it is the methods by which it is acquired. (im not disagreeing with your reply)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    From what little interaction I had with FlyingSquid, it seemed like his family was very working class and the move to the UK took a lot of sacrifice.

    Ellen on the other hand has a net worth in the hundreds of millions and thus was never in any real danger in the US because of her sexuality.

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    [–] 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “I look forward to verbally abusing my new British friends,” she continued.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't forget firing employees for refusing to cross picket lines...

    Ellen is a piece of shit billionaire that wants applause for existing. She's the same as musk or even trump.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wasn't her show (and her probably) cancelled in the states after she was accused of bullying, and then accused her accusers of being misogynistic? I doubt Trump has anything to do with her new fame seeking agenda.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Honestly, this is one of the least objectionable things Ellen has done. If I had the means, I'd probably be exploring my options to leave this place too.

    Probably not to Britain though. They're on the same track we are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    My wife is from S. Africa, if we had the ability to pick and move to S. Africa and settle our family we'd have been gone yesterday.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Same with Canada. So where to?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The whole Anglosphere is pretty fucked thanks to Rupert Murdoch and easy cultural exchange. I'm not super up-to-date on European politics but I haven't heard anything bad about Finland lately.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Finland seems like a great country. But it's right next to Russia, and things aren't looking too good there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    They've basically closed the border, and they're in NATO, so I wouldn't be too worried.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Good to know that. If we move countries, we're thinking of moving a bit permanently, so it needs to be stable for at least a few decades. It's hard to predict things in this current climate. And every time you move you lose a lot of your assets and your social circle is reset, so it's stressful.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Seriously, who cares about Ellen moving?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I do. Because I have LGBTQ friends. Who feel forgotten and in danger.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    How did your friends feel when she was pallin’ around with George Bush?

    She’s as much a queer person as Oprah is a person of color. The rich are their own nation, and they don’t give a shit about you or your friends.

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  • Saying they're their own nation does how bad they are a disservice. These people have no creed, nation, or culture they disregard all of that for power a prime example of which being rich cunts who go to Dubai and rich Arabs who come to the West and act more debaucherous than a French aristocrat. To them creed, nation, and culture is simply a tool.

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  • [+] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My dyslexic brain saw "Elon" and I got very confused by this comment at first.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    All we need is for both Trump and Ellen to move. Two less insufferable people in the USA sounds good to me. The way Ellen treated her former staff was disgusting.

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    Proof that even assholes can hate Trump.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    She's a garbage human. Glad she can afford to do that, even though the majority of the rest of us Americans can't. Bravo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I'm a Brit and outta the loop here. what'd she do?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Fuck you think the conservatives over there are better? Same shit different paint. Royal pedophiles.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I mean, only one is selling concentration camp merch so...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    😂 just because the Brits keep their noses high, doesn’t mean they aren’t covered in blood.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They absolutely are; I meant in the sense of personal safety. It makes a lot of sense to go to Britain to avoid being caught up in MAGA's rampage, irrespective of the massive number of skeletons Britain has in its closet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The UK is every bit as racist and anti-immigrant as the USA. While it’s a step UP at the moment, it’s not forever. Fascism’s grip is quickly coming for Europe—and it’s winning.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What makes you think she cares about that?

    She's a billionaire, she cares about what personally effects her life.

    Hell, she had trump on her show before she was cancelled for being a piece of shit:

    https://people.com/parents/donald_trump_on/

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