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[–] [S] 65 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

We’ve reached the point where the smartphone industry is doing board level archaeology to keep $200 phones affordable. Reusing working chips is actually sensible. The absurd part is that we needed a memory shortage to rediscover that perfectly functional electronics don’t automatically become garbage when the phone does.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

    The absurd part is that we needed a memory shortage to rediscover that perfectly functional electronics don’t automatically become garbage when the phone does.

    It doesn't seem absurd to me at all. A budget phone's primary goal is low cost. Labor is generally more expensive than new parts. So buying new memory and consuming less labor has made economic sense up until now. The only change now is that the cost of the memory has increase beyond the cost of the additional labor to extract memory. So the budget approach is reuse.

    Most of the time consumers don't buy pre-owned/used items over new for ethical reasons. They buy them because they're cheaper than new items.

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  • [–] 28 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

    While this is a sign of very problematic times, it’s kinda good we do this. Reduce -> reuse -> recycle.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Idk if it's still the case but phone memory used to go bad over time, reducing in size and speed with usage

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  • [–] 14 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Not sure, but you might be confusing memory with storage?

    Pretty sure memory stays as speedy and keeps its capacity over time. Though the software we run on the devices seems to constantly grow, which gives an impression of devices being more sluggish. But in reality, it is the software that is less efficient.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 hours ago

    Both can fail. Failing NAND flash (solid state storage) usually results in reallocated sectors or slower reading due to retrying reads on bad sectors. Slow read/write can also just be a symptom of a nearly full drive. Failing DDR# memory can cause software freezes, crashes, or other random behaviour because usually there's no error correction at that level (ECC isn't common for consumer devices). Lots of detectable errors (through ECC) can cause a slowdown as it needs to redo the read/write.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

    From an environmental standpoint, I don't think this has much benefit. Using old tech as-is is great, but the energy used to dismantle and re-engineer old parts at that level probably exceeds the energy needed to build new.

    It's only beneficial in that you don't need to break ground on a new factory to do it.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    It's not just about the raw energy consumption. Reusing old parts means less raw materials need to be manufactured or mined, which is especially good for toxic materials that are hazardous to the environment or workers.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    If I was going to buy a phone with this, I'd want it to be made very clear this was the case, but as long as they do that and a consumer can make an informed decision, I think it's a great idea.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Even if you disclosed this no avg consumer is going to be educated enough on what this actually means to make an informed decision.

    Functionally making it a moot point.

    Still disclose it tho

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  • It depends on how it's done.

    "This device uses previously used RAM that may have been used for many years. While the RAM has been previously used, we still offer our full and regular warranty and it has been thoroughly tested to still function"

    Granted... i doubt we'd ever get something along those lines.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    Going to open an Etsy shop and sale handmade RAM sticks.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    If this is what it takes for us to get sockets back on our RAM and CPUs in consumer tech, so be it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 minutes ago

    That's something they should do regardless of memory prices IMO. So many valuable parts get just thrown away

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    If this is what it takes to make true recycling profitable, so be it.

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