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[–] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think it should still be illegal, but a lesser penalty than driving a car drunk.

Maybe it should be based on the weight of the vehicle you're operating; a drunk driver of a Ferd F-teenthousand is much more dangerous than a drunk bicycle rider.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    The government is also consulting on whether local leaders should have extra powers, including setting fees and requirements for operators to share data to improve enforcement and journey planning.

    Government mandated tracking devices, ew

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago

    Is it pedal-assist? If so, slightly lighter penalty (a drunk person on a cycle can cause a lot of collateral damage if, for example, they cause a car to swerve).

    Does it have a throttle of any kind that does not require peddling? That's a motorbike and should be plated, registered, licensed, and insured as one and only allowed where motorbikes are allowed. Driving while drunk should be treated the same as any other road vehicle.

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    [–] 11 points 3 days ago* (6 children)

    Drunk driving on an ebike is substantially less dangerous to the public than a car and should receive substantially weaker punishments accordingly, and manual bikes even less.

    Can't read bbc in vietnam btw

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    In England there are lots of shared pedestrian and cycle paths where people run ebikes with their speed regulators removed at up to 50 mph. As a pedestrian, I've had to jump out of the way more than once, and was sorely tempted to take down one rider who got dangerously close on a narrow trail, despite having ample room to go around if he'd wanted to.

    "Not as dangerous as a car" can still be plenty fucking dangerous. The problem with this proposed legislation is that, in practice, it's not going to change much, since police are not patrolling any of the places where these problems occur. So in effect, it's little more than a statement of principle. Better to assign strict liability in any pedestrian/motorised vehicle collision to the driver of the vehicle, unless there's strong exculpatory evidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago*

    In England there are lots of shared pedestrian and cycle paths

    In Vietnam all paths are shared pedestrians and motorcycle paths, whether intended or not. Every day I am on both sides of the equation. I have never hit a pedestrian or been hit as a pedestrian except someone going the wrong way on a 1-way. Been hit by bikes on my bike half dozen times, a car once.

    As a pedestrian, I’ve had to jump out of the way more than once, and was sorely tempted to take down one rider who got dangerously close on a narrow trail, despite having ample room to go around if he’d wanted to.

    Either you're afraid of bikes and overreacting by panicking infront of people who are going around you or english bikers are uniquely unskilled and anti-social. It could genuinely be either, but the way to solve this is to get all sides to be more predictable.

    Better to assign strict liability in any pedestrian/motorised vehicle collision to the driver of the vehicle

    Is it not already like that? Here nobody calls the police because it creates a headache for everybody, but its generally understood motorcycles have a responsibility not to injure pedestrians.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    Not if these ebikes are flying at more than the recommended speed (i.e. 25kph), and the worst ones are modified or custom ebikes (or really e-mopeds ) with the speed limiter removed.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    No, no ebike, even all the way to literal electric motorcycles, or for that matter ICE motorcycles, is anywhere near as dangerous as a car.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Another micro-fix. Address some minor annoyance, grab some headlines, don't fundamentally change anything.

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