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[–] 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

“This is almost certainly the largest theft of any kind in history,” said Tom Robinson, chief scientist at crypto consultancy Elliptic.

If it's North Korea, and if they get to make use of it, it'd be over 1/6th of their GDP, which is pretty bonkers.

There was that massive bank fraud case in Moldova a few years back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Moldovan_bank_fraud_scandal

In 2014, $1 billion disappeared from three Moldovan banks: Banca de Economii, Unibank and Banca Socială.[3] This bank fraud was a coordinated effort involving all three banks working together to extract as much loan finance as possible from the banks without any obvious business rationale. Ilan Șor, a Moldovan businessman, together with Vladimir Plahotniuc and Serghei Iaralov "masterminded" the scam. Șor was chairman of the board at Banca de Economii (Savings Bank, BEM) up to 28 November 2014.[4]

Funds worth $1 billion were transferred to the United Kingdom and Hong Kong shell companies used to conceal the real owners of assets,[3][5] then deposited into Latvian bank accounts under the names of various foreigners.

The total loss from the scheme was equivalent to 12% of Moldova's GDP.[6]

A carousel borrowing scheme was applied, loans at one bank were paid off with loans from another. The massive expansion of bank lending was funded with heavy borrowing from Russian companies.

That'd be a larger relative impact than the bank fraud was on Moldova (albeit on the receiving side, not the stolen-from side).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    If it's North Korea, and if they get to make use of it, it'd be over 1/6th of their GDP, which is pretty bonkers.

    Kind of amazing when you put it into prospective. What is scarier is that much suddenly cash flow can help them purchase 'stuff' for 'defense'

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    They're going to cover $6.3b? They have enough cash or cryptocurrency on hand for that?

    Also, what is NK even planning on doing with it? You can't eat it. Russia wants you to use rubles, China wants you to use RMB. If you trade it for regular currency, you'll be devaluing it. Is there some international black market that will take it?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Binance, which allows users to buy, sell and trade digital assets, has 335 million registered users globally and had about $162.8bn in assets under custody as of the exchange’s 2025 annual report.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    "Under custody" doesn't mean unrestricted and capable of being transferred freely, or even ownership. The owner of a valet parking garage might have millions of dollars worth of cars inside, but he can't just start using that value to pay off his debts, even if he does have the keys to the cars inside.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't believe ANYTHING our government says. How do we know trumPedo didn't give NK what they need so they could steal it and split it with him?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Agreed. I'm extremely skeptical this was a "hack" and more like a laundering-scheme. What was offered in return, I wonder.

    Remember too that this is the company whose CEO Trump pardoned as the article notes:

    The company was founded by the Chinese-born entrepreneur Changpeng Zhao, now a Canadian and United Arab Emirates citizen, who was jailed for four months in 2024 after pleading guilty to money laundering violations. Donald Trump pardoned him in 2025.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Something like this was inevitable when people accepted being so complicit in crowdsourcing financing heavily biased towards the black market. Presumably the “never-seen-before” laundering patterns were actually the well known crypto money laundering efforts that exist that just trade and launder the pilfered crypto via high speed high frequency trading for "legit" blocks.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Good for them tbh

    Anyone still into crypto in 2026 deserves it ¯\(ツ)/¯

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Anyone keeping their money in exchanges is a moron. But with that said, I keep a decent amount of money in a few monero wallets since I use monero to pay for mullvad because there are laws being written in my state which may make vpns illegal in the future as part of age assurance laws.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    And that's fair, I think. I've considered keeping some money in Monero wallets in case I need to buy grey market HRT.

    What gets me, is people dumping their entire savings into exchanges and essentially speculating on a highly volatile thing like cryptocurrency.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Based + Juchepilled

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    so their going to feed their population with the money right?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    North Korea is actually going through an economic boom right now, interestingly. And that new money flowing into the country is being put, in large part to the 20×10 policy, meant to develop regions outside Pyongyang over the next 10 years.

    So, while North Korea has a litany of problems, Kim Jong Un sitting on all that money like Smaug isn't necessarily one of them. They are doing stuff with it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    they're*

    How is this so hard to get right?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Money is made up. It's only a problem when capitalism dictates who dies and who gets to eat. Either overthrow the gov and destroy capitalism or stop complaining about it when it works as intended.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Isn't it just safe to assume that anyone investing in crypto in 2026 that isn't laundering money, or up to some other criminal activity is about to lose their investment anyway. This is just stealing from other criminals.

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    [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Does this mean monero will be going up? Should I buy some monero?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Is this the final rug pull, stay tuned...got anymore NFT's?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (29 children)

    How cool that the DPRK stole fake money.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (28 children)

    If you can exchange for goods and services, it's real enough.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago* (26 children)

    You can't though. No one takes crypto as payment for anything other than drugs.

    It's regulated as an asset, not a currency.

    And why do these retards keep it on an 'exchange'?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    On Yelp you can filter by "Accepts Cryptocurrency". It's usually a restaurant owner who wants to avoid fees.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    It can only do 10 transactions a second. It was never built for payment processing.

    It's a digital asset.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    10 transactions a second

    I can see you first heard about it quite a long time ago!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    The base bitcoin can only do around 7-10 per seconds, intentionally for global nodes.

    2s adds a layer of vulnerability. Ergo, it's not the actual asset.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Bitcoin is one of the least traded crypto currencies in the world, and certainly isn't the most popular or most valuable.

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    USDT has a higher average daily volume, ETH has more total daily trades, ETH has more total utility and is accepted across more platforms for actual use, even SOL-based coins/transactions have more total daily trades.

    As far as most valuable, while BTC has the highest total market cap when converting to USD, as has been noted it cannot handle high levels of transactions, whereas ETH and SOL and their derivatives can, meaning it is not a valuable currency and isn't often used. It is speculatively the most valuable, whereas ETH is actually the most valuable.

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    What % of payment transactions are done by crypto?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Crypto is not used as a currency, purchasing goods and services. It’s a speculative asset that’s used as a fiat debasement trade

    https://ethereumadoption.com/built-on-ethereum?view=byEntity

    https://defillama.com/stablecoins/ethereum

    Most of it is owned by the same banks that caused the crash that bitcoin was created to avoid.

    This is the only sorta-kinda correct thing you said. The complete co-opting of crypto by institutions is a bit worrisome, but if you're truly worried about a "crash", then hold stablecoins. The network itself is decentralized and nobody "owns" it. Your keys are your keys.

    Pretty fucking ironic.

    There's nothing ironic. I can acquire crypto, send and receive it, without any tradfi involvement.

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    The latest hack was on a centralized tradfi platform: binance. This is not really crypto related at all, aside from the assets that were stolen.

    The DAO hack you posted is also misinformation. People like to point to the DAO fork as proof that Ethereum is not immutable. But there are many nuances to this that are disingenuously ignored:

    • Firstly, the DAO fork was not a rollback. It was a unique situation where the hackers had to wait 28 days for withdrawals, so a smart contract change was executed.

    • There was strong consensus across developers, users, miners and community alike - it was hardly a centralized decision.

    • Those who disagreed simply moved to Ethereum Classic. It's a win-win situation for all.

    • Ethereum was still a very, very new project then. You know which other project did a rollback when it was less than 2 years old? Value overflow incident - Bitcoin.

    • EIP-999 being rejected is the final deathblow to this hypothesis. There was a chance to rollback 500,000 ETH to an entity managed by one of its co-founders, and the community overwhelmingly rejected it. Rollbacks do not happen on Ethereum.

    Additionally, people think Ethereum is centrally controlled. This simply is not true, although many have concerns about the increasing centralization (cloud hosted nodes, centralized stablecoins, etc).

    While Vitalik remains an important part of the Ethereum ecosystem, Ethereum development has become sufficiently decentralized over time. Unique to Ethereum is a multi-client approach, where researchers work with developers to create plain text specifications. These specifications are then implemented by multiple client developers who work independently. This is different to all other blockchain projects where the core team develops a single client. Now, of course, there are arguments for a single client - putting all resources into one client could make for a higher quality client than 4 or 5 not-as-high-quality client, but this is clearly the most decentralized approach. For example, there are currently 4 consensus layer clients in production, and 1 more in development - all developed by teams independent of the Ethereum Foundation (apart from receiving grants). For any consensus forks, these 5 development teams have to agree on upgrades, and then 135,000+ validators do as well. This is not how a centralized network functions. Not to mention Ethereum's strong "Layer 0" that all developers and validators listen to intently - its community. For example, EIP-1559 has been significantly motivated by the will of the community.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Ethereum is even worse. Concentration risk from institutions plus smart contract complexity that's a security risk..

    Stablecoins are backed by US treasuries. Lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    The network itself is sufficiently decentralized. Smart contract risk is a risk though. However, many of the "hacks" have actually just been centralized exchanges, shitty bridge exploits, or rugpulls. Large, well funded, well run teams which have bug bounties have seen relatively few issues.

    I am one of the people concerned about the growing centralization of Ethereum. L2s that are centralized. Stablecoins from tradfi companies. Cloud hosted nodes. Validation pools. VC money and increasing institutional presence. Etc.

    However, Ethereum is still far and away more decentralized than anything out there. I can send and receive money, in seconds, with no bank or government to stop me.

    You are absolutely right about the stablecoin risk, and I've been saying this for years, and many crypto folks have just ignored it. I was hoping to see stuff like RAI take off, but it just never did. It's ok to have valid criticisms of Ethereum that don't invalidate the entire ecosystem. The network will run forever, with or without stablecoins.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    Yeah don't get me wrong. I like the technology and the principle, but I'd rather have a tokenised assets based off something tangible and positive like soil health and carbon...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (3 children)

    RWAs (real world assets) are a growing 'sector' of defi. There's currently $30 billion AUM with RWAs.

    To be honest, crypto is hypercapitalized as fuck, but there's niche sub groups like Regen Finance and Bread Chain, offering real world solutions for the working class and environmental concerns. This is where my interest in crypto lies.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Thanks, will take a look. I remember reading about crypto DAOs ages ago and thought they sounded very interesting.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    DOAs were/are a cool idea, but they all basically just turned into a way for rich people to get outsized influence on orgs/apps. It totally got gamed.

    I do think there's value in DAOs somehow, but they way they're setup now, it just kind of failed. I had some DAO tokens and it always felt so pointless voting. My vote was basically worthless. And, most orgs are too scared to turn on the fee switches for DAO token holders in fear of regulatory action.

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    I bet someone is about to go nuts on the next steam sale

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I'm not trying to condone North Korea's whole deal, but I do sometimes think about what an amazing job that must be in the abstract sense.

    You are paid to use black hat hacking skills to steal money for your country from people you believe to be your enemy, and instead of having to hide or feel guilty you are celebrated by the people you look up to. And you know full well that there will be no repercussions from foreign actors.

    That is the absolute dream for a select group of IT people. The rest of the NK experience would not be worth it, but it sounds like such a sweet deal on the surface.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    If a regular citizen goes against society they get thrown in jail. But it seems like at a global scale, if a country has nukes, it can do whatever it wants aside from invading other countries, and get away with it.

    Imagine what society would be like if individuals had access to world-ending powers. They could run around committing crime and if others tried to retaliate, they just threaten to end the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Funny, because a bunch of the “stolen” money appears to be routed into what looks like political bribes

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