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26 comments in c/technology@lemmy.world view that post
[–] 59 points 1 week ago (12 children)

They should be forced to replant the whole area, and pay for it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    They should be forced to replant the same number of trunk diameter-inches. (Or diameter-meters, I guess, being in Finland.) In other words, for every 1' diameter tree they remove, they should have to plant 12 1" saplings (either back on the same site or elsewhere when they run out of space).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    They should have to plant back the same sized trees and replant wherever they sourced the trees from.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Replant the area and fund maintenance and custodianship until the forest reaches the state it was in before they clear-cut it. As well as conservation efforts to protect the surrounding areas until that point is reached.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Surface area of cross section of (1) 12" trunk: 113.1 square inches

    Surface area of cross section of (12) 1" trunks: 9.42 square inches

    The percent change from the single 12" trunk to the twelve 1" trunks is a decrease of 91.67%.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    They should set a precedent here. $1 billion per tree

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Something fun about Finland is that most of their criminal Justice system has "day fines", i.e. the fine is based on losing a day's labour etc. I have no idea if that holds true for corporations but if so...

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago*

    put MFers in prison please

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  • Rip them APART

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Will there be actual jail sentences is it going to be the usual fines that companies treat as cost of doing businesses and can even declare as expenses in order to reduce the taxes they pay?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Right now I wonder if construction is/remains stopped until the matter is resolved. That would really show them to stop messing with local law.

    edit: it looks like this is the case ✊ - for how long though.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Every day this is on hold they are losing shit ton of money.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago*

    Holy shit, I genuinely didn't expect them to care. Good on ya, Finland!

    I hope the plans for the data centre are suspended indefinitely, at the very least.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    We should fine Google to 10 - 12 billion Euros. It would make our economy better.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago
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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    If justice is about the punishment fitting the crime, they should not be allowed to build there. Period.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The only way is to put google employees to jail. Money will just encourage them to cut more trees.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    If all further activity/construction is stopped until the matter is resolved, that would be a much better deterrent than fines, I believe. It will take at least a year.

    It won't stop Google from building datacenters around the world, but it will stop them from ignoring local law with impunity.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    One billion dollar per displaced animal and per felled tree.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Probably took weeks or months to clear that much. It’s almost as if the government wanted it to happen.

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    [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Hell yeah. Stop construction until the matter is resolved, please.

    (Last time I looked at it this was not the case)

    Fucking multinationals, esp. US tech, expect to get the same treatment as they do in the most unregulated countries, local law be damned. They're not stupid, they're doing this on purpose. Fines + legal costs always smaller than (potential) profits. The only gamble is taking it to court eventually, and I suspect they think it's a safe gamble.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Trying to imagine the intricacies of their recruiting for Tuike the local project company. Do they sell 'move fast and break laws' as a perk?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I have no idea what sort of people get recruited to such companies, and how. But I'd assume they are expected to be 100% loyal to the company, plus going the extra mile. And all ethical concerns go through the company's lawyers first. I don't think anybody sees fucking with the law as a personal perk.

    Is that what you meant?

    BTW & TIL:

    Google has signed a letter of intent with Fortum regarding the development of new nuclear power and announced plans to build new data centers in Kajaani, Vaala and Muhos. (...) President Donald Trump criticized the project and stated he "wants them to change their thinking."

    Lol. To think that evil Google is actually less evil than Trump.

    BTW, Tuike has been Google's daughter for a long while now; I still remember public backlash from building the datacenter in Hamina almost 2 decades earlier. And they pulled the same shit before:

    In 2018-2019, Google's subsidiary Tuike logged a total of 1.3 hectares of forest for which it did not have a licence.

    (translated from here)

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  • 1 comment in c/tech@piefed.world view that post

    if it's just a fine, then it's just cost of business. people responsible need to face jailtime

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