Carbs are not evil

they are your body's primary energy source

https://www.darwin-nutrition.fr/en/nutrients/carbohydrates/

a good amount of carbs is required for efficient bodily function

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/cancer-carcinogenicity-of-the-consumption-of-red-meat-and-processed-meat/

and smoked, cured, etc meat is a Class 1 Carcinogen, thus it is WAYYYYY more dangerous than carbs

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[–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

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they are your body’s primary energy source... a good amount of carbs is required for efficient bodily function

A common misconception - please read the bellow reference.

https://discuss.online/post/38213064 - Confronting myths: relative and absolute requirements of dietary carbohydrates and glucose as metabolic fuels. - 2024

As a thought experiment you will notice people store fat, and get fat, as their bodies energy reserve. It wouldn't make sense to store energy in a form you don't prefer. Humans do not store glucose (which is what carbs are, just sugars), you only have about 5g of glucose in your blood at any time.... the rest gets stored as fat.

So if you eat a bunch of carbs, they turn into blood glucose, which gets turned into fat... which you then burn directly when you haven't eaten for a few hours (i.e. sleeping)... the problem is most people are grazing carbohydrates all day, so their insulin never comes down leading to a host of metabolic problems.

and smoked, cured, etc meat is a Class 1 Carcinogen, thus it is WAYYYYY more dangerous than carbs

the IARC is a political body who gave an opinion, and if you want to see how the sausage is made here is the opinion of one of the committee members on the process meat - https://discuss.online/post/25112884 he also addresses the bias of the committee members (most of whom were vegan, and they did not apply rigor to their survey).

As a thought experiment - if red meat causes cancer, why don't you have cancer already, you are made of red meat after all.....

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    primary energy source

    How do you figure? The order of burning for energy is

    1. Alcohol
    2. Carbohydrates
    3. Fat

    Thought the first: macros are processed most damaging first not best first, or ethanol would be bottom of the list

    Thought the second: you won't burn body fat if you eat carbohydrates

    Required

    Sure but we make as much as we need. You don't need to eat it.

    I have no problem with people eating carbs, if they tolerate the foods those come in

    WHO is a political organisation, not a truth generating organisation.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Required

    Could you point me at any medical textbook that describes what a carbohydrate deficiency might look like in human beings?

    Sabrina Biodore

    State Diploma in Nursing, paramedical training, and certificates in writing and journalism.

    I'll get my nutrition advice from elsewhere, thank you.

    smoked, cured, etc meat is a Class 1 Carcinogen

    Have you read the papers behind the claim? For your convenience, here is Volume 114 of the IARC Monographs. If you click "download free PDF" it will be saved on your computer.

    https://publications.iarc.who.int/564

    Some quick thoughts:

    Pages 143-151 show that the methodology is Food Frequency Questionnaires with no control for confounding. I think this alone is sufficient to dismiss this finding. Can you remember what you had for dinner 30 days ago?

    Page 493: Risk-ratio described as 1.17 per 100 g/day red meat and 1.18 per 50 g/day processed meat. By the Bradford Hill criteria, this is within measurement error. So we can once again dismiss this finding.

    Page 493, again:

    However, chance, bias, or confounding could not be ruled out for consumption of red meat, as no association was observed in several of the larger studies.

    Not my words, theirs. So they didn't control for any confounding, such as healthy user bias, and in fact are aware of the fact that they can't even establish association in the studies.

    Page 498: They get biological facts wrong. Heme iron is not a pro-oxidant. It is the only biologically available form of iron for human beings since it is encapsulated and non-toxic. It really makes you wonder where they get their information from.

    Btw, half of the major studies in the IARC paper are null. Half!

    I encourage you to read the primary studies and critically evaluate them. You'll find the same thing I did. All the "studies" in "human nutrition science" are epidemiological, have weak hazard ratios, and cannot inform us either which way.

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