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[–] 145 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

This is a relief. This plus Vucic losing in Serbia has made for a pretty good day

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  • [–] 84 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

    The Alberta separatists getting brutally stomped on last week was also very nice.

    Let's see how the American midterms go now.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)
  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Hey, at least Alberta's UCP lets you look at your conservative party and think about how much worse they could have been.

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  • [+] -22 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    Conservative != Bad

    I really have been disappointed over the last few days reading comments here that amount to that.

    I haven't voted Conservative since Harper but it was clear that in BC (I'm in Ontario) Eby shit the bed with a vote no one wanted when the system was not prepared. The voters saw through his bullshit and they punished him and the NDP accordingly.

    How about we wait and see what they do before we default to "oh no here we go downhill again"?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    No, Conservative == Bad. It's a shit political movement that really just consists of wrapping fascism in euphemisms. And yes, that includes your conservative party, whose platform includes cutting taxes, increasing the police force, giving NIMBYs power over zoning decisions, attacking electrification and promoting fossil fuels, repealing DRIPA, increased immigration enforcement, and anti-BDS regulation. You don't need to give them power to find out how awful they are, you just have to read and listen to what they are saying

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Exactly, examine what policies work for healthy society and high quality of life. People value healthcare w/o bankruptcy, paid leave from work and other public benefits that reduce stress from artificial scarcity. Health outcomes, productivity and quality of life all improve with the healthy policies and efficient implementation. Raise all boats and such works, collective well-being over dualism and zero sum punching down. Teach critical thinking and Sagan's baloney detection kit to avoid scams and quackery. Teach SEL and mindfulness too. Many proven practices and polices to use if people really want healthier, educated societies for stronger democracies.

    Socrates and Sagan taught us to think rather than obey indoctrination. In a democracy this is foundational. If citizens can't question claims, can't examine assumptions, can't challenge authorities, then democracy becomes theater. Ubi dubium ibi libertas!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    In this case, they didn't make a good impression!

    • many candidates have expressed interest in repealing our human rights code
    • we are likely to see a sharp downturn in government/ First Nations relations
    • the party still tolerates separatists
    • pro-american views verging on seditious have not been disciplined
    • a bunch of very racist things were said without consequences
    • historically, right wing government leads to fiscal hardship in BC
    • it's likely to get very rough tor trans people, especially youth
    • republican style rhetoric about LGBTQ+ people and programs
    • crime and punishment rhetoric (more cops, more enforcement, no address of root causes)
    • our housing problems require left-wing solutions

    BC has a pretty wacky record on right wing populism, and they're back. UCP vibes.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Reputable news source reporting on this?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    CTV, CBC, Global, CHEK. Use search functions, it’s a wide range of topics but they all reported some of it. Is there something in particular you want verification for?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    Any of the specific points raised. I will admit I follow CBC closely both TV and radio and I haven't not heard any of this. I also follow numerous podcasts and haven't heard any of this as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    On repealing our human rights code

    The legislation

    34 cons plus 3 right wing independents voted in favour of first reading, which can morally hide behind ‘just curious’

    TheMLA was forced out, but only due to public backlash; she was allowed to present the bill.

    Global News

    On government/ First Nations relations 

    “Declaration of war”

    https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-government-rejects-claim-of-massive-secret-land-transfers-to-first-nations

    Rustad and Jordan P

    On separatists & pro-american views

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/this-b-c-party-s-deepening-ties-to-alberta-s-separatist-movement-raise-eyebrows-in-the-west/article_48d5d8cd-b89f-43bd-b23c-5878c0ef4133.html

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/exiting-bc-conservatives-cite-leaders-ties-to-alberta-separatism-as-reasons-for-departure/

    (Trying to find the name of the campaign worker who shared a map showing bc/alberta as a ”protectorate” of USA. Oh, right, it was MLA David Williams. Vancouver Sun article, 2025.)  Holy fuck eh

    Racism and republican style rhetoric about LGBTQ+ people and programs, and transphobia

    There is a lot, and I shouldn’t have to provide sources, it’s easy to look up and oh-so-predictable. Some of the worst got consequences, like the candidate who said the driver ramming a car into a crowd of protesters should have backed up to do more damage, or the candidate promoting hitler, but how did they get that far? 

    https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/rob-shaw-bc-conservatives-urged-to-stop-using-term-first-nations-12596562

    Heather Maas: blackface and slave auctions at high schools complaints are just political correctness (her blog), also, she is an active member of ARPA and she likes to outline how they align with the conservative party. They believe homosexuality is immoral.

    Katie Merrifield advocated expelling Islam. The post was taken down, but Katie wasn’t. If you still read Twitter, you can check out her posting history.

    I am not going to list all the bc conservative opposition to SOGI, it is well covered and has been for years.

    The Tyee does good investigative reporting: 

    https://thetyee.ca/News/2026/10/22/Queer-Organizations-Alarm-Conservative-Anti-Trans-Rhetoric/

    https://thetyee.ca/News/2026/10/20/Extreme-Ideas-Still-BC-Conservative-Problem/

    On crime and punishment rhetoric 

    I don’t have to cite any of this, just listen to the party rhetoric.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Some good reading here thank you.

    Just to nitpick a bit and also to concede a mutual (I hope) "we don't know yet".

    A few of these articles are prior to the leadership change and may be representative of the previous gongshow with a leader getting high on their own supply.

    I guarantee the BCPC did not adequately vet before the leadership due to the time ol' dumbass Eby gave them so the concern is something comes out especially damning as journalists begin vetting further.

    What I will say is some of the articles are what seems to be reporting bias such as the "declaration of war" which seems less about discussing potential policy changes and more about inflammatory language by the opposing party?

    Now what pisses me off more than anything is ol' dumbass Eby could have held power for another 2 years but instead, when the opposition was their most vulnerable called a snap election. Were I a BC voter I would be pissed to. Motherfucker could have continued to run the province as a status quo. He actively decided to fuck that up for literally no good reason. I would argue the average BC voter agreed with me on that assessment by either voting Conservative or staying home.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The “declaration of war“ regarding DRIPA is an opinion stated by more than a few First Nations leaders, and the article referenced is a demonstration of that difficulty in relations, which you wanted verified.

    I had also hoped that all the extremism was a symptom of a party in disarray, but upon closer inspection it looks like much of that sludge has not been washed out, merely groomed for presentability. Time will tell. It does feel like foreign interference at work through useful idiots.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I hear you but at the same time everything can't be foreign interference.

    Time will tell. For me, BC is a very left-leaning province. I take these results less as a shift right and more as an indication they were done with the NDP and Eby's dumbass decision. This is more representative by the low voter turnout. It's not that the Conservatives were appealing to the broad populace, a lot of people stayed home.

    No different than Ontario (my province) in this respect. Currently we have the OPC dismantling all our social services because people continue to stay home and not vote and it pisses me off to no end.

    And like you (I think) it's frustrating that people are sitting on their asses waiting for a specific party (in this case OLP) to get their shit together meanwhile there ar 2 very viable opposition parties ready to go. I vote Green Provincially. I'm used to frustration lol

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  • [–] 46 points 2 weeks ago

    Congratulation to Brazil, all the best to you all !

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  • [–] 46 points 2 weeks ago

    Good to see Lula did not let the right-wingers walk all over him and rig the elections without fighting back.

    The time for playing nice with cheating foreign agents is over.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago

    Sure glad to hear the coup plotter's son wasn't elected

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  • [–] 36 points 2 weeks ago

    The American billionaires aren't going to like their right wing puppet lost

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago

    Such good news to start the week with. Congrats to Brazil!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Now if only British Columbia hadn't put the conservatives in power there.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (8 children)

    On the plus side, from what I've read they're mostly old fashioned sane conservatives rather than Trumpian lunatics. Some of them are on the far right edge but hopefully the rest will keep them in check, the party's actual policies aren't too bad.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The most "sane" conservative policies are still murderous.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Their electoral priorities are to cut sex education and hamstring indigenous treaty negotiations, which is nkt a promising start.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Were they up front about that to voters? Those seem like really dumb things for people to choose to vote for.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    oh, VERY up front. "SOGI" and "DRIPA" are the relevant Parliamentary search terms. They don't want kids to learn about TeH GaY and they're scaremongering about ebil natives taking all the land from the poor white people.

    It is basically government by Facebook outrage.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Do companies like Facebook and Twitter target the publicly facing politicians accounts with specific algorithms to incite this bullshit?

    Like nothing is stopping elon& zuck from specifically targeting Trump or these guys with nonsense far right rage bait making them think what they wants? Scaremongering them into these dumb ass positions?

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  • [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (19 children)

    By a whooping 1.5% difference, we haven't got a mob boss on the head of the executive power, with an aligned congress and the capacity of putting 2 judges on the supreme court and get a majority there.

    So... whew... our democracy will only die slowly now. Beats dying quickly.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    A whopping 10 million more people voted for Lula in this second turn of the election, and he had a 4 million voters lead on Flávio. That's not a bad number. Now our job is to push the government in prosecuting all the mayors and secretaries involved in undermining the election.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

    So the good guys won but didn't win hard enough for your tastes.

    Just take the W and have a nice night. Now there's an opportunity for improvement, that's a good thing.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Look at the United States.

    Joe Biden beat Trump in 2020.

    And remember the cheering, and the relief, and the way people felt on that day.

    Never forget that day.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    Any good guy was long gone before the candidates were selected.

    Still, it's better than Flavio winning.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Alas, "the least-worst candidate who had a plausible chance of winning" is generally the best outcome for most democracies.

    Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Or the "well he's okay I guess", in this case.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    He's far from ok, though. Our democracy is dying, in large part because of him.

    He is just way less worse than that other guy.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Our democracy is dying, in large part because of him.

    Can you please explain? I haven't been following what's been going on in Brazil very closely.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Lula has been mired in corruption charges out the wazoo. Now, it turns out that at least some of them were a result of a corrupt, right-wing judiciary colluding against him, so his initial conviction was rightly overturned. But he was facing a lot of charges, and they were not necessarily all made up. Regardless, they were all swept away, just like that, meaning he has neither been found guilty or innocent of most of the charges of corruption against him.

    Among all the people in as populous a country as Brazil, you'd think you'd be able to find a better candidate than an unpopular geriatric, who, rightly so or not, has had an incredulous amount of accusations of corruption against him.

    But even if Lula was the second-worst possible candidate in all of Brazil, he is still many, many orders of magnitude better than the candidate he ultimately ran and won against. There's no comparison.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    he has neither been found guilty or innocent of most of the charges of corruption against him

    I assumed Brazil's judicial system used the same presumption of innocence as the US. How does it work in Brazil?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    The government made a new law making it impossible to judge politicians for corruption, and the Supreme Court decided that it applies retroactively to Lula, making it so no judgement was considered valid.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    The way I'm interpreting it is that the charges were dismissed or retracted before they went to trial. The same thing can happen in the US.

    For reference, Brazil uses a different legal philosophy (Civil Law) than most of the US and English-speaking countries (Common Law) so there are differences in how things work compared to the US, but presumption of innocence is also a feature in that philosophy, and specifically codified into law there from what I see on wiki.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Half of the Supreme court is involved in a corruption scandal, while he is papering over the problem; Half of the Congress is involved on that same scandal and some half in another large scandal, and he didn't direct the police to investigate (he and the Supreme Court are the only ones that can); We have a new law mandating that common crimes from politicians can only be judge by a court that has no judge, and he was one of the main creators of it... The list goes on and on.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago*

    I'm glad for this and enough good people showed up this time. It shouldn't be so close though in all these elections, but the lies work. Canada had to back away from the edge last time and others have still gone to the authoritarian bs. They spread the propaganda more than ever to keep winning with their lies so don't fall for it. See that history shows their ways suck long-term and healthy ways proven in other countries are the way to go. Stay the course of proven healthy policies and demand better! Swinging back and forth is like a wrecking ball, and can't rebuild as fast as destroy. Think critically, refute the propaganda, use Sagan's baloney detection kit to understand accurately, read Democracy In Chains, you can do better!!

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    A man who has been opposing the far right in Brazil since the 70s. He became a union leader after a workplace incident and medical negligence caused him to lose his little finger at 17 years old working in a steel mill, as he had been working there during the nights to be able to afford living. From union leader, he spent many years fighting the far-right USA-backed military dictatorship in Brazil, ending up in prison more than once, and also suffering torture. In 1989, when Brazil recovered its democracy, he ran for president against Collor, a rich asshole from the far right, and then lost because of the far right propaganda of "He is a Communist, he will take your pension money and savings from you!!". What ended up happening though was that Collor himself had that plan, his right-wing government froze the savings accounts of middle class people, and then confiscated it all. A few years later, in 2002, Lula finally won the presidency, and his first and second turns (2003-2010) were the fastest Brazil has ever grown and developed, we went from 12th to 6th economy in the world, and cruised unscathed through 2008 economic crisis. On top of all that, his early government is responsible for saving millions of people from hunger and misery, and for the first time ever Brazil had left the world's hunger map. And then he was reelected back in 2022 and had to repeat the same feat of saving people from hunger and misery yet again, because of what the previous two far-right governments did.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Kind of a dumb and dumber choice there, unfortunately. Both are kind of putinist.

    But Bolsonaro would've been slightly worse in various other ways so yay I guess.

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