Cat-owners just won't be stopped unless laws are introduced. Until then, what can we do to protect our feathered friends from the rabid feline killers?

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[–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

In Australia cats are losing the PR war in regional areas.

Its not uncommon for towns to have cat-free policies, or cat enclosures.

Occasionally people float the idea of domesticating quolls or other native animals. I like this idea but not sure whether it's feasible.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    In late October 2011, a litter of five spotted-tailed quoll pups was born at Wild Life Sydney in Darling Harbour, Australia. The pups were born to inexperienced parents, both just one year old. The reason for the young parents was because older male quolls can become violent and kill the female if they do not want to mate.

    Great, not only do we have deadly animals they are turning incel.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I saw a video once saying that some outback towns have bounties on them, not sure if that's still a thing

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    I've never heard of that but there are "bounties" on other feral animals from time to time.

    Rather than just open bounties it's much more common to offer contracts to specific pest controllers.

    Contracts to exterminate feral animals including cats in a given area are very common.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    In Spain there is chaos regarding cat colonies. We don't know how many there are, how many cats, how many people pouring food... But we make laws protecting cat colonies and forbidding you from feeding birds because it could cause a rise in pests like rats and cockroaches. Like those are not eating cat food smh.
    So I have zero hopes regarding this topic.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Excuse me... cat colonies? The hell are those?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Groups of feral cats living mostly on urban environments that are supposed to have a community of caregivers backing them, bringing them foods and veterinary assistance. The only thing they do to control the population, according to those caregivers, is the Capture-Sterilization-Return method, that consists in progressively sterilizing the cats in the colony so they don't reproduce and the colony should decrease and eventually disappear. This method is obviously not working because, after decades, cat colonies should be on the brink of disappearance, but they are flourishing.

    In my city is specially concerning for me that many are near rivers and the small forested area around the water, where many species of birds should be thriving; I am surprised because there are more species than I could expect in this circumstances. I haven't seen amphibians... Probably ever. One year I heard a frog calling, and that's it. The decline of reptiles is also heartbreaking. I've seen hedgehogs and I recently read that they loose their teeth munching on dry cat food.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 weeks ago*

    I was curious and looked it up, only to stumble upon this article about Cyprus being worse. For every human on the island, there are two cats. Bonkers.

    Athens had a lot of cats and I thought that was a lot, but Cyprus has more. I can't even imagine that many cats.

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  • so i know house cats being let outdoors is a huge issue and owners should be made aware of this - many may not realize the gravity of their decision. i think, however, going after feral cat populations may have the most significant effect. you could look for trap-neuter-return programs in your area and support those efforts. it isn't the instant results you may be looking for, but i think it's probably the most humane response likely to show positive long-term results outside of finding a program that puts the cats into a sanctuary (trap-neuter-remove). while this would be preferable, those programs seem much rarer.

    otherwise, on an individual level, assuming you are a home owner, you could create feeding areas that are safe for birds - fenced off from cats with shrubbery and/or dead hedges for added safety.

    and while you're at it, don't forget to make homes bird-friendly by addressing outdoor lighting and windows so birds can safely migrate and avoid window collisions.

    bird friendly homes | u.s. fish and wildlife service

    anyway, that's my two cents. interested in any other ideas yall may have.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    I don't let my cats outside except under the controlled environment of a screened-in "catio", where birds can't go. Your statement of "cat owners just won't be stopped unless laws are introduced" is false: with education and awareness, cat owners can and do realise that cat impacts on bird populations are significant, and worth doing their part to prevent as much as they can.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    While I understand and empathize with your frustration, your sweeping generalisations do not accurately represent every person in every place.

    And in my township in the country, our animal control is very invested in rounding up feral cats, no blind eyes in my district.

    Your issues remain valid; and laws may well be a good path forward where education fails; I'm just against sweeping generalisations in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    In my neighborhood, sociopaths poison them with rat poison.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago*

    This is surprisingly and disappointingly common. Some percentage of the population will always do this kind of thing, it seems. I will not commit to any official commentary regarding the implications of this purportedly reportedly a quote-unquote fact.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    I can tell that you feel very strongly and your feelings are valid. I'm sorry that you feel like we're arguing, because I didn't feel that way at all. I thought we were having a discussion, and that we're both on basically the same side with differing views on best approach. I wish you only the best.

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  • i love that someone came up with the catio and i agree with your larger point. i think statistics about the bird population decline and related knowledge is probably pretty niche. pro-bird evangelism (and meeting your neighbors) is a good place to start.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Do you consider yourself to belong to the majority of cat owners with a catio?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I do not consider myself to be anything other than a cat owner with a catio. I do try to spread the word about how this is a superior way to keep both cats and wildlife safe, however.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    That answers the question quite well: most cat owners don't own a catio. Given the statistic somebody else posted (more than 2billion dead birds in North America due to cats alone), you are in the vanishingly small minority. You might be aware and willing to do something but the rest won't listen to reason, hence the question about what people can do.

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    [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I lived in California for a few years, in the San Francisco area. The maority of cats are perfectly content and happy indoor cats. Several friends had cats which never went outside. Two reasons for this:

    1. The mild climate means the outside has high densities of ticks and fleas. Let your cat wander and it will come back infested.

    2. Racoons are common, even in built up areas, and racoons are partial to a tasty cat. Let your cat wander and there's a good chance it won't come back.

    The point being that cats, if brought from kittens, happily live as indoors only pets.

    New Zealand has recognised that domestic cats are a menance to native wildlife and now plan to erradicate completely feral cats:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/24/new-zealand-to-eradicate-feral-cats-by-2050

    There is also discussion about requiring all pet cats to be microchipped and neutered.

    A few years ago, I was in Spain, in one of the Natural Parks looking for Wild Cats, which we did see. I asked a ranger about problems with interbreeding with domestic cats. The rule is that within the Natural Park, any domestic cat seen more than 100 metres from habitation can be shot. Residents know this and make sure their pet cats don't stray.

    So, certainly Spain and New Zealand fully recognise what a threat domestic cats are to wildlife. Time the UK acted as well.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Only under threat of personal harm (ticks and fleas) or harm to the cat pet will most pet owners do the right thing. Unfortunately, the same is true of our societies right now. But making those big changes will take some time. We can look at places where measures are successful for inspiration, for sure.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    cats aren't allowed outdoors at night where I live, so I just set up traps at night time.

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    How do you know they've got rabies?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    from the rabid feline killers?

    Sure. I've also heard they do satanical rituals and that's a fact: the cousin of the neighbor of the postman once told that to my late grandmother.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    This has grown into a full-blown diss battle shitshow between "cat mums" and the "cat mum haters" in South Korea and while it has been an issue online for many years, I'm just so worn out from the sheer stupidity of this situation. A disproportionate number of people on the "cat mum" side refuse to think critically and modify their behaviour. The ones who should maintain the least amount of dignity and level-headedness possible during the worst times to still educate the "uneducatable" also gave up any cordiality left in them and hate on cat mums for the sake of it. The worst thing, though, is that this is not just limited to one specific country. I can guarantee you will be met with pure madness in the YouTube comment section for any bird documentary showing predation by cats. It's universal and sees no end.

    This has led nowhere so far and only created more tension between the public majority who unconditionally love and will protect cats at all costs (generalised as "cat mums") and the non-feline animal lovers (bird lovers in particular) who are all just lazily grouped into the "cat mum hater" category.

    I read briefly about the efficacy of TNR programmes somewhere and found that it was still unclear for the most part whether it was actually effective in controlling feral cat populations without adoption of neutered cats. There are suggestions that TNR must be coupled with adoption in order to be successful in what it is meant to achieve. So I personally think TNR is a good place to start investing in, but it's never going to be a definite solution.

    The simplest and probably the right thing to do is to encourage everyone to adopt stray cats, stop breeding them, and keep them inside where they belong (they're 'house cats' after all). But guess what people are inclined to do? The opposite of all three.

    Will there ever be a universally accepted, humane solution for this problem? Will people ever accept that feral cats destroying ecosystems is not 'nature taking its course'? Will they ever be willing to take accountability for what their ancestors have done despite not having directly contributed to the act of introducing cats to their non-native habitat many centuries ago?

    We have a long, long way to go, and we might not even get there before the full damage is done.

    To add: Hatred is never the answer. I'm not too fond of cats (or dogs) myself, but I feel this is similar to how others must feel about other invasive animals like starlings and escaped parrots. A lot of the aforementioned "cat mum haters" are seemingly obsessed with the observation that cats "kill for fun" and thus should be exterminated. Again, this only fosters more hatred and will lead nowhere. Hatred is a self-defensive emotion designed to protect you from the mental repercussions of having your values contradicted or violated. Even so, it's more likely than not to also be harmful to oneself. In the end, it doesn't shield, it only stabs. If you think we are justified to hate cats for their impact on the environment and endangered birds, then we may as well be justified to hate on house sparrows and house finches (in East US) for their impact on native bird populations. Violence is bound to create problems, never solutions.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    This has led nowhere so far and only created more tension between the public majority who unconditionally love and will protect cats at all costs (generalised as “cat mums") and the non-feline animal lovers (bird lovers in particular) who are all just lazily grouped into the “cat mum hater” category.

    I'm a bird lover (and watcher) and I'm a cat person too.

    The thing is that reading the tone of the OP one feels like here is one more of those trolls trying to overgeneralize and to over-categorize—cat = killer, and a rabid one with that— instead of actually trying to expose and discuss the issue. What's the point of such a post? To put more oil into the fire in order to get some cheapo giggle?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    My thoughts exactly, and precisely why I'm just so exhausted hearing this internet debate over and over that amounts to nothing. A lot of them are merely out to witch hunt and prove themselves right, when there really isn't a right or wrong verdict. They're chasing their own feelings.

    I get the frustration though, as I've struggled with this personally myself (although I didn't go around pushing my agenda to everyone or pissing people off). Change is slow, and many are not as open-minded as we expect nor have the mental flexibility of others. But I've come to learn eventually that all this negativity and confirmation bias helps nobody, especially not the animals and nature we so care about. I think people who are in the same boat as me also just need a little more time to settle down, think and move on.

    But it's still really sad seeing people blindly at each other's throats just because they can.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I drive them away whenever I see them hanging around our place. Found out after they moved that one of our neighbors was trying to befriend them. We found a homemade cat shelter she'd put out back right beside my bird feeder.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    There was an NPR story one time about how a poisonous toad that had been introduced to an area was causing mass mortality events for crocodiles and other predators.

    The solution was to take out the poison from toads, inject them with a compound that makes the crocodiles nauseous, and then set them up as bait for the crocodiles. The crocodiles then learned not to eat the toads.

    Of course, any sort of attempt with a similar method should be cleared with your local government. It's not something that some vigilantes should be trying to handle alone without the proper guidance, safety, and approvals in place.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/08/16/g-s1-17159/cane-toads-freshwater-crocodiles-australia-invasive-intervention

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Humans are much bigger bird killers than cats. Cats are nothing in the scheme of things. So what are we going to do about it?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's definitely incorrect by orders of magnitude. Source: 2015 Direct mortality of birds from anthropogenic causes. https://repository.si.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/a0a8affb-5cdf-4722-b829-123512ae418b/content

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Well if you’re in the UK then the answer would be fuck all. Get over it.

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